Who Goes MAGA?
In 1934, a courageous, flawed, complicated journalist named Dorothy Thompson was kicked out of Nazi Germany for reporting with relentless, brutal accuracy on the Third Reich—and then wrote a book about it called I Saw Hitler. Her impression was withering:
“He is formless, almost faceless, a man whose countenance is a caricature, a man whose framework seems cartilaginous, without bones. He is inconsequent and voluble, ill-poised, insecure. He is the very prototype of the Little Man.”
Four years later, Thompson produced a timeless classic of an article. Published in Harper’s in 1941, “Who Goes Nazi?” offers an acerbic and profound account of the “interesting and macabre parlor game” of looking around at any gathering, in her daily life in America, and perceiving who might be fundamentally receptive to fascism, and who would not. The assembly of archetypes she constructs so deftly for the article, and the conclusions she draws about receptiveness to fascism, are shaped by their time, and Thompson’s own fin de siecle WASP upbringing.
Dorothy Thompson is a fascinating figure in her own right—a tireless campaigner for women’s suffrage, a legendary reporter in interwar Europe nicknamed “the blue-eyed tornado,” a giver of extraordinary dinner parties, with extraordinary guests (“prime ministers, psychoanalysts, agents provocateurs, Balkan refugees, proletarian novelists, withered aristocrats, spies, and musicians") and an extraordinary guest at other’s parties. As Margaret Chase Harriman recounted in a 1941 profile, “One night last winter, Miss Thompson went to a dinner party at a friend's apartment; the talk, led by Miss Thompson, turned to world affairs, and someone made a careless, semi-humorous remark about Jews. Miss Thompson put down her knife and fork, and stood up. ‘I will not remain in the same house with traitors to the United States,’ she announced, rather obscurely, and left the table.”
“Who Goes Nazi” has resurfaced from time to time, in this era, for obvious reasons; it remains an engrossing read, for all its terse brevity. After the parlor game is done, Thompson presents her own conclusions about who goes Nazi and who doesn’t:
“Kind, good, happy, gentlemanly, secure people never go Nazi. They may be the gentle academic whose name is in the American Blue Book, or Bill from City College to whom democracy gave a chance to design airplanes—you’ll never make Nazis out of them. But the frustrated and humiliated intellectual, the rich and scared speculator, the spoiled son, the labor tyrant, the fellow who has achieved success by smelling out the wind of success—they would all go Nazi in a crisis.
Believe me, nice people don’t go Nazi. Their race, color, creed, or social condition is not the criterion. It is something in them.
Those who haven’t anything in them to tell them what they like and what they don’t—whether it is breeding, or happiness, or wisdom, or a code, however old-fashioned or however modern, go Nazi.
In Thompson’s spirit, I’ve decided to give her parlor game a little update, one that fixates a little less on breeding, the Blue Book, Lindbergh, racing stables, etc., and replaces it with the accoutrements of our own time—and, of course, the knowledge that this particular brand of fascism is as homegrown as American corn. Alas, we haven’t extirpated fascism since Thompson’s byline most of a century ago. So with some trepidation and humility, here’s my 2025 version. It’s called “Who Goes MAGA?”
I.
It is an interesting and somewhat macabre parlor game to play at a large gathering of one’s acquaintances: to speculate who in a showdown would go MAGA.
You are in a lushly-appointed room in an American city: perhaps the capital, perhaps New York, perhaps somewhere on the periphery of Silicon Valley. Around you there is the scant but expensive evidence of contemporary minimalism. The primary decorations, here, are human.
There in the corner, holding his drink, is Mr. P, a journalist of some renown, who has covered the tech industry for a long time. His magazine profiles have granted the aura of genius to numerous venture capitalists and start-up founders; he has written a book which got favorable reviews, deepening the mythos of these self-appointed arbiters of the future. He is canted toward the city lights outside the window, and they capture the rapt absorption on his face, as someone murmurs to him about the latest developments in venture funding, the latest spinnaker launched toward the stock market.
At some point Mr. P believed in the perfectibility of man through technology, and it was that initial optimism that shone through his early writing; long ago, he realized he was surrounded by gasbags and egomaniacs, people who were more enthused about breaking other people than easing any of their burdens through the wonders they made. But he kept writing, like Candide, like a press release, although his language is elegant and muscular. He knows which way the money goes, and who is in favor, and who is not, and directs his coverage accordingly.
This pertains to Mr. P’s ideology, which was long ago compromised, and to money and power, proximity to which intoxicates him. That is why he is here. You do not need to ask if Mr. P would go MAGA: by virtue of selling his words to the highest bidder, and his virtue to engender virtue in those who lack it, he already has. Unto the last extremity of cruelty he will be there, offering his burnishing excuses. He no longer sees cruelty anymore, because a long time ago he trained himself not to.
Watching them through half-lidded eyes, and clutching his drink a bit too tightly because he isn’t sure how he got this invitation, is Mr. Z, who doesn’t dress in button-downs and slacks, but in more comfortable and colorful attire. He does this in part as a visible symbol of what he has given up: a staff job like Mr. P’s, so rare in journalism these days; but more to the point, the sort of coverage he started with, as he, too, entertained ideas of human perfectibility and the power of technology. What person who lived through the last decades of the twentieth century could not?
The difference is that even before it all began to go obviously sour Mr. Z smelled the gas of self-aggrandizement, began to see how hollow the things that had been revolutionary were becoming. He began to see the cruelty and the waste of it, and he kept paying attention. The scales fell from his eyes and no flattering press releases or bought biographies could replace them. For the past few years he has lived on the edge of poverty, sacrificed access and replaced it with hard investigative labor, and told the stories of a culture corrupted by its own hubris and self-adulation to a much-reduced audience. He is not a happy man, and he sometimes wonders if he is even sane anymore. But he will never go MAGA, because he has chosen to look at cruelty and waste, and combat them. He would make that choice again even if it led to his ruin. He is rarer than you think.
Chattering with a delicate hors d’oeuvre balanced in her hand is Ms. M, an altogether commoner type of person. She is as precisely unique as a grain of sand, but she is pretty enough, with her careful hair and nails and heels. She is in her mid-forties and has had four children, three boys and a girl. Her father despised her because he wanted a son. Her husband, a prosperous but unremarkable businessman, despises her in part because he derives pleasure from it, and in part because she expects nothing and desires nothing more from him.
Ms. M adores the humiliation of women, so she has been MAGA in her heart for a long time, with its gift of destroying women. She loathes women because they bear the same unforgivable fault she herself possesses: they are female and inferior, and still worse they will not admit the latter and most crucial part. She gasps with admiration at the men who cast women down, who denigrate them; she adores her own humiliation, strokes it like an ermine collar. Now that MAGA has shown its strength, she feels more justified in revealing her contempt for other women, and her worship of masculine strength. MAGA will have her until she dies. Her sons will mourn her, but her daughter will not.
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A little further into the palatial room, Mr. B holds four fingers of whiskey in a glass and is making a determined attempt to finish them quickly. He takes his whiskey neat, he wears a full suit, he wears a tight silk jacquard tie. All of it is choking him, even the whiskey, which he gulps like a drowning man. There is a piece of Mr. B that knows he is lying with every step he takes, with every word, fulsome with praise for the president and his party, with every ribald joke, with every manly stride he takes.
It was a very long time ago that Mr. B recognized the deep feeling of wrongness he felt in his bones and his body, the feeling that had made him so terribly tired and so desperately disinclined to ever leave bed. It was simpler than he thought: he wanted to be a woman. For years he played a woman online, in games and hidden social media accounts, used apps to imagine the appearance he wanted, looked at the costs of various types of surgery. But before he could even choose a true name, or even truly recognize that he needed it, the cold winds started blowing, and Mr. B retreated into his fear, into himself, into the him of himself.
Now it is he who is quickest to denigrate women, to demonstrate his loathing of them, to insinuate that he gratifies his desire in ways that hurt women. He has joined MAGA with his whole heart because he is afraid, and he hates so loudly because he is jealous. Mr. B is here at the invitation of Ms. M, with whom he is fast friends. He carefully does not covet her carefully manicured hands and her carefully highlighted hair and the curve of her calves and her bust. They delight in hating women together, and trans women in particular.
For both of them, trans women have committed an unforgivable sin: for Ms. M, though she does not know to say this, they have traded the ultimate gift, which is masculinity, for a life of crawling, servile, infantile female inferiority. For Mr. B, they have committed the unforgivable sin of living the truth he will deny to himself for a long time yet, and maybe forever.
Both of them turn away from Ms. X—a woman in leather with a huge bust and short hair, a woman who is about to leave, because her lover, a gentle, tall woman who once had a shorter name in a different place, is waiting for her in a pleasanter and more cluttered room than this. She is only here out of curiosity, and it has quickly curdled into disgust. She loves being a woman. She has never felt it makes her inferior. She loves to touch the bodies of other women, to write love poems to women, to delight in the words of women, the films of women, portraits of and by women.
Ms. X feels no need to police the boundaries of womanhood, because to her it is capacious and welcoming. It wants only equality; she has felt the world trying to shrink her for being a woman and has refused to shrink. Her hands are stained with ink; when she cooks, she uses too much garlic; she likes to sing along very loudly to music in the car. She will never go MAGA, because she is not ashamed of who she is, or who she loves.
As Ms. X wafts out the door on a cigarette-and-leather smell, Mrs. H wrinkles her nose. Against the white couches and white walls and white sconces, Mrs. H’s brown skin stands out. It also stands out against the white faces of the other guests. Mrs. H is an immigrant and daughter of immigrants who is convinced she is one of the “good ones.” She is filled with loathing at the crisis the television shows her, convinced the country is on the verge of invasion, and that her green card and her marriage make her safe. The criminal scum depicted on the television and rightly abhorred by the president could never be her; she wears a good suit and her husband is a rich man.
She should know by now, but doesn’t, that Mr. H would denounce her to the deportation authorities at once if it would earn him any security or favor; he considers her inferior to him entirely, but is content with a wife who will never be his equal. They have a son, who looks white enough that Mr. H has embraced him as his heir. They are both MAGA and proud of it and have a bumper sticker on their big luxury car announcing it.
Mr. H has an expensively healthful body, and an under-exercised and unnourished mind. The pair are vulgar and proud of their vulgarity; and he the more so, because behind his secret smile is the knowledge that if she dragged him down, he would cut her loose in an instant, in a moment, he would send her away in shackles and not think twice. And the next wife would be white as a linen sheet, and quite as supine.
II.
At the center of a small knot of people, talking loudly and confidently and gesticulating wildly, is Mr. V, a former socialist firebrand. He has retained the wild beard and left the socialism behind. Once he raged at the rich masters of the universe. Now he dines in their houses, his ardor for the working masses having curdled into bitterness, first because he wasn’t recognized enough for his brilliance, and then because he was driven out of a radical organization by women he felt owed him sex.
Mr. V has gone MAGA in the way sure to gain him the most welcome, and the largest audience: as a proud and open convert, betraying his former comrades with delight as he feels himself betrayed. The truth is that behind his polysyllables is a man who left what he once loved because his cock wasn’t worshipped as he thought it should be, and so he has gone over to the place where he can find women to bully into fucking him who will protest less, and never organize.
In the corner is Mr. N, a quiet and unobtrusive socialist and subscriber to socialist publications. His only wealth is the rather large house his parents left him when they died. When a natural disaster struck nearby this city, he joined a mutual aid group, and goes to clothing and food distributions several times a week. He would gladly open his home to anyone who needed refuge, and has already offered to do so should the need arise. A big-hipped woman uses his well-appointed kitchen to cook the big pans of rice and beans, asopao de pollo, and pozole that they bring to the park.
Mr. N’s loneliness could drive him to MAGA if he was inclined to conspiratorial thinking, but a natural inclination to kindness and good food have taken him away from the path of conspiracy. Soon his house will be full—full of people fleeing to this city, full of people afraid of being taken away—and he will be happy at the bustle, and the noise, and the chance to share what he has, a set of otherwise drafty rooms with this unprepossessing man at its heart.
In the other corner, eyeing the room with contempt, is Mr. C, a political appointee in the new administration. He got into politics after receiving—for the first time in his life—bad grades, at a good university. The hauteur of academics, of his fellow students who effortlessly (he felt) achieved better grades than him, pierced his ego for the first time—he was the best student in his town and never worked at it—and he has never recovered. Instead, he scraped out his degree and swore revenge. He subscribes to every conspiracy theory going about academics, from the antisemitic ones to the slightly more nebulous ones about cultural Marxism.
Mr. C’s grinding loathing of his own mediocrity leads him to gleefully cut down those he perceives as his betters. He failed a science class, and has made it his particular remit, in the federal government, to attack the grants of scientists. He is unmarried, and sneers, in silence, at a roomful of people he is sure would attack him if they knew his job and affiliations; of course, we know, most of them wouldn’t. Even now, in the fullness of his power, he feels mediocre, insecure, lonely and rageful. He is determined to hit first and harder and make sure his perceived enemies, who are legion, never get up again. MAGA is full to the brim of people like him.
Never ceasing to flash his white teeth in a grin or a loud hectoring speech is Mr. J, a brilliant professor of law in a well-tailored sport jacket. You may know the name of Mr. J, who frequently guests on podcasts. Ensconced in legal academia for years, he has long since abandoned having clients. For a time he told himself he luxuriated in the majesty of the law, and certainly he enjoyed aweing his young students. But he has recently, publicly, and provocatively begun to question the precedents of birthright citizenship.
Within a year Mr. J will be drafted by the administration to create legal justifications for torture and deportation before sham courts, and will revel in it, because he has found that power is the purest intoxicant. He would roll in it if he could. He would bathe in it. He already, after one sip of in the form of a little fame for couching cruelty in Latin jargon, feels drunk on it. If MAGA were a minority movement without power, he would have no truck with it, but because he feels it has a mandate, because he sees it flexing his power, he is drawn to it irresistibly. Before this year, his peers were contemptuous of MAGA; now that they begin to show curiosity, he emulates them, then races ahead of them, and he will be used well by those who take up so adept a tool.
Mrs. G works at the same university, as a top administrator. She has already begun jettisoning diversity programs, rewriting LGBTQ policy, she has already called for a review of the university’s Title IX policies. She sent armed riot cops after genocide-protesting students, and the library wasn’t free of pepper-spray residue for a week. She is not, in herself, staunchly MAGA—or staunchly anything. If ever she was, it is long gone. Now she only feels the shifting sands under her feet, a panic at the potential loss of her personal prestige, and thus a driving need to move from quicksand to safety. She has many analogues, above all, in the nominal opposition party: they are already rebranding themselves and announcing their intentions to cooperate and capitulate. Their ambition is chiefly to save their own hides and hopefully get rich doing it.
Like them, Mrs. G does not care who she leaves behind; indeed, she feels that the more people she leaves to flail the safer she is. This is not necessarily true, but she is a weak reed easily bent, and thus her soul is mortgage to MAGA, whatever pallid ideology she may once have held. By the end of this year, several Black, gay, and/or female professors will have resigned, and she will write brief, regretful letters about it, and never think about them again.
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At a neighboring university, in a very comfortable armchair, you can find Mr. I. He is an indifferent academic in the sixth year of his dissertation, studying French engravings from a single decade in the seventeenth century. Once, he saw an etching, hung in a palace, of a girl in a small boat on the sea, and the way the waves were captured in ink smote his heart, and he never forgot it. It was a strange, ghostly little picture, not the best in the gallery, but his favorite. He returned every day for a week, and learned the artist’s name, and those of his contemporaries.
Mr. I gets by on family money more than his pittance of a stipend, and is always traveling to Nice and Versailles and Marseilles. Nonetheless, he will never go MAGA and would spend his days in exile even if he got cut off from the family purse. It would not be easy for him to abandon his life of gentle and obscure luxury, but he would: because although he is an indifferent academic, without talent, he is a true devotee of beauty. He finds in MAGA not just gaucherie and unloveliness, but also a hatred of things that are beautiful and strange, as all the things he loves are. Power holds no attraction for him, only beauty. Consequently he would leave his motherland behind if ever MAGA were the only choice for him.
Mr. F is a Jew who loves Israel, and wants to feel safe, and feels that only with strongmen in power in both countries will there ever be safety. He talks frequently about turning Palestine into a parking lot, into glass. He knows that, of her whole family, only his grandmother made it out of Europe alive; consequently, he has transformed what was a vague religious commitment into a zealotry, and a vague politic into fanaticism. He feels that only extreme violence can stay the return of historical persecution. With a flushed paranoiac face he talks about mass death for the sake of his safety, although he is far away from the people whose deaths he wishes for, and from those who would mete it out. He is a Jew and he is MAGA, and he feels these two things are inseparable.
Mrs. N is a Jew who loves Judaism, and finds her homeland not in a country, but in a long, winding history. She, too, had a grandparent who was the only one to make it out of Europe alive. Consequently, she has dedicated her life to ensuring that no one else is the sole survivor of such targeted massacres. She feels that only solidarity, understanding, and a solid intellectual foundation in the origins of such human behavior can stay the return or recurrence of the persecution that shaped her family’s history.
Mrs. N will be arrested again and again protesting this administration, as she was arrested protesting the previous one; she will throw her body in front of ICE deportation vehicles, she will shackle herself to buildings, she will do so with psalms on her lips. She is a Jew and she hates MAGA, and feels these two things are inseparable.
Serving the party are two cater-waiters.
Billy’s big shoulders fit awkwardly into his white dinner jacket, he carries the trays effortlessly. He was born in a small town and grew up in a small white church with a small preacher who preached big words about the end of the world. He grew up feeling his father’s belt because God had told his father never to spare the rod. His mother, too, administered physical punishment. They told him to be perfectly obedient, and he more or less is: he has protested at abortion clinics, he went to a year of Bible college, he found a charismatic preacher that told him how to be prosperous, and he has followed that preacher’s teachings to this city.
The charismatic preacher’s church is not far away. The charismatic preacher loves the president, and has a photo with the president hanging above his desk. Billy is waiting for the end of days, with some impatience. He knows the just punishment for those who step out of line: for uppity or loose women, for queers, for people who betray the good racial order of this country. He knows he is soon to sit at the right hand of God. Even in his cater-waiter’s jacket he feels superior to his colleague, because he is white. This is just and good. Billy was born to the MAGA mold, and never questioned a thing. Questioning was beaten out of him, and he never tried to get it back.
Malik is tired of this bullshit, and the tray is heavy, but a pretty girl smiled at him, and he tries to focus on that. He feels invisible in the white coat, but this gig pays pretty well. It’s almost worth the glares and the careful not-seeing he feels from various corners of the room. He does not need to be told who has gone MAGA, although it must be said that the careful not-seeing of the man in the cater-waiter’s jacket is not limited to those. He hands out delicate little dishes and thinks about his dilemma: to go to seminary, not to go.
Malik longs to make his mark on the world, whether from the pulpit, or in a movement. What he longs for most is justice, for which the world is always thirsty and ever parched. He will long for it all his life, and he will use his hands and his words to bring it closer. He will pursue justice as his mother and father did, and his grandfathers and grandmothers before him, in prayers of the word and prayers of the feet. And he knows instinctively, as one knows the smell of spoiled meat, that MAGA will never bring justice to anyone at all.
III.
Who we were born to, who we choose to be on emerging from that chrysalis, what we love and who, these shape us. Nevertheless, who we are is always a choice: every indrawn breath is a choice, too. Nice people do not go MAGA, although people who are respectable and who are good at seeming nice go MAGA all the time.
That’s what makes the game so fascinating, the game of who goes MAGA: who would choose to drink the poisoned chalice when pushed up against the wall—and who reaches for it with both hands. And why.
An upbringing or a code, innate instinct, rough experience, empathy or politesse can draw us away from vulgarity and cruelty. Pride and fear, venal self-absorption, a desire for vengeance, cowardice, conformity, jealousy and loneliness can draw us into hate.
It’s fun—a macabre sort of fun—this parlor game of “Who Goes MAGA?” And it simplifies things—asking the question in regard to specific personalities. It’s an amusing game. Try it at the next big party you go to.
This is beautiful and terrifying. Thank you.
You are a treasure, Talia! I can no longer not subscribe to you. This is a brilliant piece and you are brilliant writer and human being! Looking forward to the subscription. Love and solidarity ❤️
Haven't finished it but can tell you 🤔 lots of people are going maga as my thumb is thumping my phone. I'm 🤢 over it. Will finish reading tonight 🤓❣️✌🏼🫶🏽🤞🏼
Possibly you made a mistake? I looks like "Who Goes Nazi" was in Harper's, not Esquire. Otherwise: a sublime piece.
Excellent even if nothing, sadly, surprises. (we know these people. a decade now has given us a pretty clear picture of the ones that are, will soon be, or would be at the first sign of danger)
I just read Thompson's piece last week, so this brilliant "sequel" is most timely. Well done.
This is amazing. And while it's depressing to see so many erstwhile "centrists" and "liberals" drift or even stampede towards MAGA in the past week (with a lot more of this to come), your piece is an encouraging reminder that many people will never go MAGA, however bad things get.
Another pathetic "Boy Who Cried Wolf" exercise in calling conservatives Nazis. One of these years, you will look back and cringe.
Another loser from Flyover Loserville heard from. Go back where you belong.
One of the pleasures of life is not knowing most of these people, a pleasure available to most of us.
Brilliant.
For those who are now interested in Dorothy Thompson, your should also learn about her fellow journalists who tried to warn the world of what was coming, back in the 1920s and 1930s. Deborah Cohen's excellent book, "Last Call At The Hotel Imperial" will show you a world you never knew existed, though you may have heard some of the names. As an historian, I highly recommend this.
This is brilliant. Also, cant wait to read Dorothy Thompson's books.