The Adjutants Lounge Audio
Still Contemplating the Universe
This audio was recorded on 24 February 2023
Firstly a huge thanks to Susan Yu for her generous gift, which will go towards Fallouts Project 13! Thank you, Susan, you’re the best, and a quarter glass of the Adjutant’s favourite port awaits your attention in the Lounge.
On this week’s episode of the Adjutants Lounge, Phil and Ben talk War Crimes, the Luftwaffe in the east, Galland and Wittmann, and the Battle of Britain. All of which is interspersed with the usual chuntering, random thoughts verbalised and good humour that has become the hallmark of the Adjutants Lounge. Honestly, you’ll be hard-pushed to find this level of quality and professionalism elsewhere.
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Partial transcript:
00:00:36
Ben Skipper: Hello and welcome back to the Atlas Lounge. Uh, I'm joined by Dr. Phil Blood. Hello.
00:00:42
Phil Blood: Phil Gould.
00:00:44
Ben Skipper: Hey, how you doing?
00:00:46
Phil Blood: Hi, everybody.
00:00:48
Ben Skipper: Hey, everyone. As you can see, I've got my special doodle thing because my doodle wasn't working. Technical stuff here. You know, I'm a.
00:00:58
Phil Blood: Boomer and everything works, including my background.
00:01:01
Ben Skipper: Like your background, F16, topical.
00:01:04
Phil Blood: Biggles and the Royal Air Force. Kind of lucky to even have a picture, actually.
00:01:11
Ben Skipper: You are you. Well, it's like. Really? Yes, really. I'm not inept with technology. I'm a technophobe and proud of it.
00:01:19
Phil Blood: Cool. The button.
00:01:23
Ben Skipper: That's the issue. It's not a switch. It's not a switch. Nah. Before. Before we get on with today's podcast, I must thank Susan Yu for her very, very, very, very generous donation. So Susan, thank you. That's going to be invested in our next project.
00:01:43
Phil Blood: Thank you, Susan. But also thank you for your comments, your kind comments on Woody when you mentioned it. And the fact that we are such, um. I don't know. I'm sorry. Nice persons who only do things quietly and.
00:02:04
Ben Skipper: Think think Susan recognised our quality as professional broadcasters. Since we've gone, you know, all technical and stuff and we're giving CNN, Fox, CBS.
00:02:17
Phil Blood: Your technicalities amaze me with your brilliance, but the inability to be able to get a camera is still the things.
00:02:27
Ben Skipper: Can't even get a background. Can't even get a groovy background like you and I can't get my head around working back to front. It's all weird.
00:02:33
Phil Blood: Well, that's because you were in the Royal Air Force and I was.
00:02:42
Ben Skipper: Oh, bless you. You really. The more I think about it, the more I think now wouldn't get in. They wouldn't touch me with a bargepole. What was it? What was it to say about the recruitment process as the late 90s? Late 90s?
00:02:55
Phil Blood: Who's worse? Them or you?
00:03:03
Ben Skipper: And yet here we are. Hello.
00:03:08
Phil Blood: Buddies.
00:03:17
Ben Skipper: So you like my F-16? I did. Very topical. Well, sort of. Well, we'll mention ever so briefly, because II did swear that we weren't going to mention what, Ukraine war and somebody wanting F-16s. Interesting factoid. F-16 nine months training to fly Eurofighter two years.
00:03:40
Phil Blood: There you go. How long do they take to build these things?
00:03:46
Ben Skipper: That's a good point. Well presented. They got a production line somewhere in America, somewhere like probably Ohio or Kansas. Absolutely.
00:03:54
Phil Blood: And so what? You can build one in a week like Spitfires and Lancasters, and then they're rolling out 30,000 in a year. Yeah.
00:04:02
Ben Skipper: Yeah, something like that. At this point, everyone's going to be there are going to be people going, No, no, you've got it all wrong. Yeah, probably have. Um, you know, this is, this is, what, fourth, fifth, fourth generation fighter. It hasn't, it hasn't got propeller on. I'm not interested. There you go.
00:04:23
Phil Blood: Fourth generation.
00:04:25
Ben Skipper: Mm. How'd you like them apples?
00:04:28
Phil Blood: Okay. So it's not Hawaii in the fifth generation. It's it's fourth generation.
00:04:33
Ben Skipper: Think so? Yeah, think so.
00:04:35
Phil Blood: So you can speak to it while you're on the tube.
00:04:38
Ben Skipper: Believe so. And don't get harassed. Marvellous.
00:04:41
Phil Blood: That's the limit of my technicalities today.
00:04:46
Ben Skipper: All I can tell you is. We get to talk, we're going to talk books today and all sorts of modelling are Tokyo books. You got a really good idea that you you have passed.
00:04:59
Phil Blood: To me. I have.
00:05:02
Ben Skipper: Yeah, you have. You got two really good ideas. You got. You got the Whitman book, which we're going to be doing.
00:05:07
Phil Blood: Oh, yeah. That's my guilt session at the minute. I'm working my head off to try and get it done because I promised people at the end of last month. But COVID and as you can hear, I'm still coughing with it. Um, so big apologies to everybody, but as soon as it's done, everybody gets everybody who supports us gets a free copy. We've agreed that from the very beginning and yes, am humbled by the delays, but it's going to happen. And just as a taster, um, a large part of it concerns questions over what Whitman's, um, status as a Nazi. So I'm sure that will make me very popular. But he was right. He was educated in racial extermination and and a large part anti-Semitism, which was a driving force of his military fanaticism. And his beliefs in the higher master race. But anyway, that side.
00:06:09
Ben Skipper: So we got that one. And then we got another one, which you. Well, when I say we, I'm using the royal we here, which is really wrong because it's actually coming from you. Um. About the Luftwaffe in the East. Yeah.
00:06:21
Phil Blood: Think everybody's spoken about everybody talks about, um, I think there was a battle in Britain somewhere, and then there was these roobarb and custard raids when the Battle of Britain lot got shut down by the Germans and ended up writing books about more captivity than they were flying. Um, but aside from all of that stuff and of course the latest story, which is the eighth Air Force destroyed the Luftwaffe. Uh, the bombing was all good by the Royal Air Force, and it was all it was really good because it drove Nazis out. It stopped the war effort, and the Germans couldn't get tanks and guns and equipment anymore and, you know, all that stuff. And it cleansed. It cleansed the cities of national socialist ideology. Wow. Driving by. Driving the people out of the cities. So because the cities were empty, no Nazi ideology.
00:07:27
Ben Skipper: When did this What have I missed? This is typical of me. I'm writing about the yeomen of the guard at the moment. And so this assertion. Yeah, exactly. Who? Not the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, by the way. Not that one. Where is this assertion?
00:07:45
Phil Blood: Like the Pirates of Penzance? That's my favourite. I know people think I'm a bit more serious, but actually, like the Pirates. Is it the Pirates of Penzance? Oh, no. HMS Pinafore. That's it. Sorry, I always get confused, but then live in total state of confusion from one day to the next. Well, I'm.
00:08:05
Ben Skipper: Just going to confuse you even more talking about pirates. Disney. Disney did a thing. You know, they do those movie guides for children in the comics. Good. Yeah. You know, like a guide to being a good pirate. One of the things a good pirate doesn't do is steal from other pirates.
00:08:22
Phil Blood: Okay.
00:08:25
Ben Skipper: There you go.
00:08:26
Phil Blood: That's piratical.
00:08:28
Ben Skipper: Isn't it? What's the point? Being a pirate?
00:08:30
Phil Blood: I hadn't thought of that.
00:08:33
Ben Skipper: Yeah. Yeah. But apparently that's. That's the way to be a good pirate is not to steal from other pirates. But anyway, back to the Pirates of Penzance, which in turn is get back to.
00:08:40
Phil Blood: You and Dustin are always stealing on me.
00:08:47
Ben Skipper: What?
00:08:47
Phil Blood: Plagiarism? No. Oh.
00:08:50
Ben Skipper: Plagiarism. No, no, no. Didn't say.
00:08:52
Phil Blood: Oh. Oh. Oh. Well, now, just going back to these remarks by the eighth Air Force. Okay. Um, LeMay perfected strategic bombing, took it to Japan. Well, to the theatre and then on to Japan. Uh, I would have thought the 12th and the 15th Air Force has probably had a bigger impact against, um, the German material war effort with the raids against Palestine and other targets.
00:09:23
Ben Skipper: Yeah.
00:09:24
Phil Blood: I was thinking more of how they used to say things like, you know, we're dropping the bombs in the pickle barrel and all that stuff.
00:09:33
Ben Skipper: So that was about that, that the, the, the gunsight, the Norden gunsight, which was meant to be so amazingly accurate and so brilliant. Um, and yeah. And, well, he wasn't that great, certainly over, you know, the early campaign over Japan when they didn't fully understand the the jet stream especially. Well anyway there's been.
00:09:53
Phil Blood: There's been all this, you know, bombing and fighting and fighting and bombing and um.
TimeChannelLanguageConfidenceText00:09.8 - 01:09.60en-gb0.94Hello, I'm ok back to version slounge by Dr Feelgood hello everybody I'm a boomer and everything works including my background tropical Biggles in the Royal Air Force lucky to have a picture.01:09.8 - 02:09.50en-gb0.95You are really yes, really I'm not electrotechnology of a technophobe for proud of it called the button. That's the issue is not switch switch big before before we get on with this podcast I must sign season you for very very very very generous donation. Thank you. That's going to be invested in the project. Thank you Susan but also thank you for your comments your kind comments on Woody TV when you mentioned it and the fact that we are such. Ivanhoe zoo only do things I'd like I think I've recognised quality as professional broadcasters just gone.02:09.7 - 02:53.80en-gb0.95Technical and stuff and we giving CNN Fox and Sons your technicalities have made me with your brilliance but the inability to be able to get a camera well. That's because you were in the Royal Air Force and I was thinking about the boring thing. They won't get in touch with the barge pole to say about the recruitment process is the late 90s.02:57.8 - 03:57.10en-gb0.94And yet here we are buddies F16 ever sabrefix. I need swear. They were going to mention ukraine.war and somebody want to get 1669 months training to fly you're a fighter two years. How long do they take to build these things that support website production line somewhere in the in America someone like probably go higher or Arkansas so much you can build one in a week like.03:57.8 - 04:44.60en-gb0.94Lancaster's and then there are rolling out £30 in a year. Yeah this people going no no you got it all wrong. You'll probably have blocked is this is this is what they go horse generation apples. Ok, so it's not Hawaii in the 5th generation. It's it's fortunately she can speak to it while you're on the Tube please and I'll get her ass. That's the limited by technicalities today.04:45.2 - 05:44.40en-gb0.93All I can tell you is can you talk We Gonna Talk Bucks today and all sorts of modelling tokybooks you are really good that you have passed today. I have you got too many good ideas. You got the Hitman book which we doing That's my girl. I'm working my head off to try and get it done because I promised people at the end of last month but covid-19 here. I'm still coughing with it so big apologies to everybody but as it's done everybody get anybody supposed to get a free copy. We agreed that from the very beginning and yes, I am humbled by the delays, but it's going to happen. Just as a taster a large part of it concerns questions over with Mum's statuses a Nazi05:45.2 - 06:42.90en-gb0.95I'm sure that'll make me very popular but he was great he was educated in Rachel extermination and and a large pot anti-semitism which was driving for military fanaticism and his beliefs in the tyre master race that side when I say we are using the railway here which is really want from you in the east. I think about everybody talks about the Battle in Britain somewhere and then there was the rhubarb and custard ride when the best Britain got shot down by the Germans and ended up writing books about more captivity than they were flying.06:45.2 - 06:52.60en-gb0.95aside from all of that stuff and of course the latest story which is the 8th Air Force destroyed the Luftwaffe06:54.7 - 07:54.20en-gb0.95The bombing was all good by the Royal Air Force and it was all or it was really good because it drove nazism stop the war effort couldn't get tanks and guns and equipment anymore and stuff the cities of socialist ideology how to write my driving the people out of the cities so because no Nazi ideology when did this is typically? I'm writing about you one of the guard at the moment and he said yeah exactly not the Gilbert and Sullivan musical by the way that would like the Pirates of Penzance that's my favourite. I know people I'm a bit more serious but the Pirates Of The Pirates07:54.7 - 08:49.30en-gb0.94HMS pinafore, but then I live in total state of confusion from one day to the next Pirates Disney Disney today. I think you know they do those lovely guy to children and good to being a good pirate. What are the things good time? It doesn't another pirates ok? That's piratical. I hadn't talked to that might be good parties. Look still for the Pirates anyway back to the Pirates of Penzance switching get back to you and always know.08:54.7 - 09:50.30en-gb0.94Just go back to you for the box for the Air Force ok. Let me perfect body kits Japan want to leave the cbi theatre and adults Japan 12th of the 15th probably had a bigger impact against the German material war effort with the targets. Yeah, I was thinking more of how they used to say things like you know where we dropping the bombs in the Blackstuff to be so amazingly accurate and so brilliant anyway. What's that greater certainly whenever you know the early can pay the Japan fully understand the jet stream.09:54.6 - 10:49.70en-gb0.95Fighting fighting and bombing and we won the water there for everything that we've got his better than everybody lost them so I thought we would do something different being a luffa historian and having been a look after historian now for a very long time. I was thinking the other day my first official academic seminar and lecture on the Mustafa was in not only scholars, but former men wow ok and it took place in 1992. Just really scary if you10:54.6 - 11:54.60en-gb0.9530 years ago. I think it funny time because I went to a library session and have you ever come across a man called Thomas keneally. Yes he wrote the original yeah, and he was giving a talk in the library and I was like 20 people because the film was Australia yeah, but he brought the book called the Confederates in 1979 84 people in the room who are interested in his book about the Confederates and the whereabouts in the dark and11:54.6 - 12:28.60en-gb0.94Return to the thinking who on Earth is this bloke. You know you had a beard and he had that Amina of like Father Christmas and I just thought this is a very gentle person and he started talking about Schindler's Ark how to stop because the story in the book is not the same as spiegelburg film.12:31.0 - 13:31.00en-gb0.95and I'm sure you're all the way by now that I'm not very keen on war films Nazi films or any other films especially after you know the 70s, but it was I was just about surprising moment but he was a very interesting time back then because it was like that and couple of years before we had the anniversary of the Battle of Britain and you probably don't realise your remember huge Martin passed around Buckingham Palace and it was the last time they close the airspace over London and the planes can we not talk today's numbers of airplanes the planes to 20-minutes to get the collected way out in Essex and then flew down the Thames and went over the13:31.0 - 14:30.10en-gb0.95West Tower and floor light down the mall and I don't remember but Raymond Baxter was the commentator Raymond is brilliant. I mean I was in the crowd so I recorded it, so I was meeting Battle of Britain pilots and the guys from 92 Squadron signed up for me all survivors including a couple of Battle of Britain pilots and talking and then suddenly this thing I've been kicked off and it was like wow, so that was down on the ground. So when I get home. Obviously I want to see what it's like and everything's going fine with Raymond until the moment. He got back into the cockpit of a spitfire. Not that he was in a copy of a spitfire was in the Broadcasting room.bbc House14:30.9 - 15:30.80en-gb0.94Once we got back into that the cockpit in his mind we're in Douglas them the BBC didn't switch the switch off being rude. There's no rude words, but he was just talking like a fighter pilot to have a fighter pilots like they're coming. They're saying on the leading edge of the week and we're hitting not and I'm just thinking there's an awful. Lot of people listening to haven't got a clue what you talking about on telly and have you been a spitfire pilot at the tail end of the war sensor and it wasn't just Rory motion of remembering the whole he was actually flying you. Could you could?15:30.9 - 16:30.60en-gb0.95She was actually in the cockpit reading the gauges going through the speeds remarkable when when the tornado started to form up and come down from it was round about that moment as soon as he saw the picture of all this he should squadrons tornadoes and come back from the golf the lined up and using stunning years later here. I am giving a talk and pilots and experts. I'm not going to mention, but I bought polymers earlier and we will talk about it place called Frome in Somerset where they invited painter the painter artist Robert Taylor would make paint these pictures of16:31.1 - 17:31.00en-gb0.95Aerial combat or specific aircraft planes taking off. What have you done will be a signing ceremony for the German pilots all the British pilots American pilot, and I went several I'll tell you one in a minute because it's quite funny, but I went out with the Germans and they're also newspapers and they were telling their stories about shooting down Spitfires and there was quite a lot of British people taking it was uncomfortable. I'm going to bed to spend 200 quid on a picture and you're telling me that you shut down. My dad's is that your own kind of attention so I come and give this talk and the pilot under the moment so we can we could not do even if you know even if we did not have the history that we had we could not have a commemoration of the lover and I remember.17:31.1 - 18:31.00en-gb0.95You know it's very sad, but unfortunately there aspects of what you did which can which prevent you from being commemorated like that said you know what Walsall neutral countries in the new attack them and you break the rules of law of war and your taxi billions and you get you get what you deserve unfortunately the nature of war and no problem. Yeah, we did that was most of them think and I still think that's pretty much probably the way right. I'm still there and there was something wrong with attacking Holland Poland your of War 2 nations have been bitten like forever because German lands are gone into Poland and Poland you know all about argument Holland Holland and done anything in the first world war apart from food.18:31.0 - 19:31.00en-gb0.95You are all this weight of munitions of war and everything landing on Rotterdam and Amsterdam and the famous operations of The Hague when trying to capture their bases and the Dutch put up a spirited defence the German pilot. Yeah, you know the attitude was that was wrong and they should have been blamed for that because you know Rotterdam was never entered into the war crimes tribunal and a nice. I think that's a big failure because of protection there was for the British and American strategic bombing so we don't going to talk about Rotterdam and that's why Rotterdam snot.in barely mentioned in the Royal Heir book on the German Air Force in 1948, but I've given my talk and I've told them that you know.19:31.0 - 20:30.90en-gb0.95Medical experiments since the 80s 70s from when I first went back out there's all the pictures. Love you. Don't know and Daniel latest news obviously by that stage gal not around so the talk was how much when you then you a lot was 11m and talking about but he'd seen when he was in the east and this is where the story comes from about the message because he was he was flying operations in the east and you know where Stamford tuck and Douglas Bader have lunch after their shot down and there's always sitting around and being nice. You don't.20:31.0 - 21:29.80en-gb0.95The Russian pilots, we're gonna have to look at the score of how many Russian pilots who was shot down the ended up in captivity and died from nutritional medical experiments and what have you to know that there was no it was none of the same feelings and of course in the work that I've done I can operations from the the relationship between the air support and close ground support Close combat support and the liaison officers because you know wherever deserve antipata is an operation of Banbury cancel navigation you will have a liaison officer. They're calling you there strikes under dropping bombs on villages strafing civilians and lots of them find it quite entertaining to do that.21:31.0 - 22:30.90en-gb0.94So, I thought it would be interesting to kind of examine what actually went on in eastern Front does the story and it's very interesting how people who it's about the love Pfeiffer especially on eastern Front we'll talk about half man and his 350D shooting down Russian aircraft and their focus on all of that you wonder which apartment landed yet to come down sometime you even if it meant just getting some fuel and the question is what did you do that whole story is missing and the what actually happens on the when you thinking on the air bases you've got Prisoners of War because they're being used for slave labour. You've got shooting post for killing partisans in the sticks.22:31.1 - 23:12.60en-gb0.94You got the punishment sales for people having work properly or been found doing stuff like stealing food. You got the local community that's being used almost like a kitchen and supply centre for food locally it's really quite a brute Spartan Style community OK they take pictures you knows all these pictures of half man and his dog was any pictures of Batman walking through the streets in the weather's not any because.23:14.2 - 24:06.20en-gb0.95Turn off sociation with the people on it's not very friendly soon. I've got a loved before book of the sebastopol and mass destruction does ideal eyes pictures of people in fancy costumes from suppose you know national costumes, but there's a few moments where you've got a moment standing next to a local person so we have to we have to do a balance what's going on the eastern Front what's going really going on on the eastern front of this clouds in the sky thing and the blonde night. I think the whole story most of those eastern Front pilots.24:06.8 - 25:05.70en-gb0.95Is Sam is worthless? Just what they were doing what they would drop in the end of Shop makeup. Maybe shops near craft the hope that whole period in the 80s what an hour maybe too so the other 22 answer on the ground and that whole story is completely wiped because they don't talk about it a lot of people say that you know I made this claim that on the first destroying to deal with the loss of thunder and the Nazi crimes and the Holocaust and they say well you know you haven't got that many aircraft in and said well if you open the first on the first paragraph the first chapter of the introduction. There is Adolf Garland hunting she got the ice hunting is on the ground.25:06.8 - 26:06.60en-gb0.95He's not those 2-hours up in the air. He's hunting for wild animals in a place where there is a massive ethnic cleansing taking place or Jews and he confronts partisans and none of that stories in his book because that story can't go in his book because he puts a story in his book. He's already like to be what went on in the east so scented if I had to go onto an alternative source none of that story would have been ever been found but he did that done the antlers were kept. This is everything with them they try to ignore what they do but they give you a little signals little moments when they do staff and they forget sy22 cyrenians interviewed him about Albert Speer don't like it is 50 years of a guy.26:06.8 - 27:04.80en-gb0.95Who said I don't know about the Holocaust never happened to us and if I never did it I never gave an answer to any other pilots. We're all clean sogiita. Serenity reviews him about Albert Speer an adult Garland actually says I'm in an aeroplane with Heinrich Himmler Albert beer and we're flying over a camp and him that says there's only 20000 left and in March 1942 when it happened that's what I realise that we were doing the Holocaust for 50 years. He said no never have a nobody knew what was going on. I didn't know and I'm I'm in Love after a general Fighters and I'm on an aircraft Himmler and Spear what's my rolling all of this well actually it's to use slave labour to build an aircraft which she was signing off.27:06.8 - 28:06.60en-gb0.95So you know the whole story is rubbish, but people will still quite them and you know people will put Adolf galland in their books that are articles and I still believe it can of course. I'll trash me as somebody who's had to destroy that I had to destroy my mouth settee memoirs which is plainly false and the same with Hartman very interesting H hartmann. Story goes from this great famine in the sky and Neverland to the rest of the time like 10 years in a Russian prisoner of war camp x-ray bride to come with his boys to camp an experience that and Survive and get through dance about the bravery, but you telling me that nobody knew what he was getting up to.28:06.8 - 28:49.10en-gb0.95He was on the ground in East not. It's not the problem with all of this denial of what actually went on. It's just not logical. It has no thanks, so that's why we're doing the lover that took we're going to talk about love bathroom the east and to all those people who think I only do Holocaust and Nazi war crimes. Yes, we're going to do even more that she will try and look better in the Holocaust by Shinedown shooting up loads and loads of party clowns and civilians.29:06.7 - 30:04.50en-gb0.95My blood well, you know it's address history with facts wheels on the piano before we start this year was the Apple supposed to be different for us both you know we doing the box from the book where you can use the artwork. I do know that. I'm just at work and I'll Polish friend. Wherever he is a well today. It will be remembered absolutely and the reason why you need a break.30:06.7 - 31:04.90en-gb0.95Dustin you need a break mate. You're having fun Sports for the extreme sports at the moment is going shopping looking for a tomato. Are there any tomatoes in your area? Yes, we have no tomatoes and turnips. No politics now is down to a lettuce cauliflower and a turnip and a tomato tomato. That's the Baldrick ization of British politics brexit isation. We were fear of War but Baldrick has broken his politics to confront itself. You could make it up you really couldn't make it up. I just31:06.7 - 32:06.60en-gb0.95Oh, yeah, I don't know I bought a virus you have a look in every so often and I roll my eyes and scream internally when you see someone in the States had bad weather ok. Yes a lot of stuff comes from the Mena region and they have glass houses by the day that tree cards on my on my mobile because one of them one of our friends responded to it Olaf I'm standing at a German counter. Where does like tomatoes and it was just surreal you don't you seen no food and there's turnips and I'm standing at all this food cauliflower is £3.50 and there's nothing on the shelves.32:06.6 - 33:06.50en-gb0.95Things bear and empty and I'm standing there was a cauliflower and it's like 50 Cent does tomatoes everywhere does no one coming up for rationing is just like a different world. What will they always going about the ball and now the living it ok for you think brexit was just another form of Nostalgia for the second World Stratford want to actually go into rationing again. It's it's it is Frankie surreal. That's the weather like inside the coffee the other night at the NFU conference wow. You are talking to these the experts and you turn to Prince pharmacy able to get away and who are about to have no money from the government because the subsidy system George eustice 2-years ago promised would work I was going to be a fool.33:06.6 - 34:06.30en-gb0.94You totally turnips anyway empathy for my motherland whatever I make corn beef hash today good fair. It is my grandma and my grandma hated the buffer when my mother prime on the 24th of December 1940 and it's forever Manchester and one of them started to machine gun hi the high streets at Cheetham Hill my grandmother hold my mother in the pram down.34:06.6 - 35:05.50en-gb0.95Cheetham Hill library where the under the sellers was an air raid shelter to my grandma's literally held the pram and the child in there, but through it in a way that my mother was going to get bangerhead you just did it you know in the way you do and then she died down itself and herself 1960s. I'm Yours Truly is told of Blackpool well. I'm Blackpool Pleasure Beach that there's a film called the Battle of Britain and the premier is tonight so we go the next day because I wasn't enough to go to evening so we went to the matter. No cause you get the brochure take the treasure possession so everything was fine except about the Pope and we started to see German aircraft and my hand was getting.35:06.6 - 36:06.50en-gb0.95Derbyshire and then we came to the Blitz section at the end of the film. I don't know if you remember the yeah. Yeah well actually remember everybody in the theatre gas big willies old people gas because they like recalling but actually happened. It's that's buried in my head and there's another reason why I explain a minute anyway my grandmother. She was really distressed however when you're young person. You don't really understand you and then had to go through that process every match today for the next. That's cruel is the anyway so she got me little book of paintings of the Emma little picture of a hurricane which is why I buy terrapins ever since.36:06.8 - 37:06.70en-gb0.94Charades for me to meet and talk to Ginger Lacey does he wrote one of those Battle of Britain books on 1940 interest in 1940s you know the air battles over then and we went to in Manchester in 970. There is a huge recruitment for the Royal Air Force so we went along it was all his second world war and she got me into that too so she suffered but at the same time she encouraged grandparents not talking Ginger Lacey brevity you went on Flybe 4770. I believe you did how did you avoid being shot down in Japanese what flying p-47?37:06.8 - 37:12.10en-gb0.85Great response, I will kick myself around the cockpit. It was that big.37:15.2 - 38:15.20en-gb0.95The people in B47 is the largest single engine fighter huge enormous basically be engine with a turbocharger and somebody on the top you was here in the family because I'm sure I told you this before but my my father was in April so he was working on the Balkan on the design to and he started started over 50 for obviously I gotta leave stories and now that my father's terminal with Alzheimer's United can't tell them anymore, so busy tried to write everything down, but they started them on the 50 for aviation design when designing aeronautics and what have you?38:15.3 - 39:13.60en-gb0.95And then went from the 504 to the Anson aircraft to Lancaster so I guess you do is you get and you've been told the stories like 500 million times everything's in there and you know use a slide rule like an aviator you don't let music like a school kid. Is this one day. I don't know why I said to him. The Lancaster was just another development from the Manchester wasn't it's a big Manchester looked at me like I was on about gx800 account number the number directly now. He said there was 874 jigs for the Manchester39:15.3 - 39:24.10en-gb0.93737 and a half jigs for the Lancaster Earth could be they could they be the same aircraft.39:25.6 - 40:25.40en-gb0.95Are they have it so don't buy half gym? It was the jeans are up for a week so the next topic so what we doing this year because we last year was just there was a lot of focus on Europe so we will be a little bit. We're all busy. I'm writing your writing is snowboarding writing snowboarding writing getting dog but we do have a plan don't we can someone who got a plan we both models both models. I am not a master modeller the imagination. So what we doing until this way through this we could be making a bergepanther the box.40:25.6 - 41:14.50en-gb0.95Young minds up their reputation of that because there's like millions and millions of single track pieces what you need to do to get a big cut the big plastic bands you said I'm still not been stood right those all become apparent summer sure you got to Trackside I had to steal that offer shopping another one.41:25.6 - 42:25.50en-gb0.94We do have the two models that I'm going to do which we going to talk about with vitamin. That's the Cromwell and the little tiger that I have been redone and is now in different colours, which I don't agree with Airfix doing that. I think they should have kept the old original and just upgraded it. So it's like that Bovington Tank which is running around Bobbington use the one that was captured in the desert 131. Yeah, he has got no association with the with the SS so I thought that would have been good idea of doing this anyway. I'm going to do it. It's going to be done. It's going to be part of the book and have a big models going to be in the book. So it's going to be a whole section on only going back to the boat and planted that is it is a bit.42:25.5 - 43:25.50en-gb0.95Speaker but it's just I just just give you a quick and what I will do. I'll do a review of the kids with the video when we have camera angles in the really groovy and stuff we also try and get this on YouTube I'm having problems of the technical variety so let me know. I just know but hoping to get stuff on YouTube so should be on there, but it's not physically biggest and the Witch's flower 35/35, but it's a wash and detail absolutely washed got interior it's got multiple tracks. It's got a job. He's got a crane so we between between service Wigan building this time conversing Bobby swearing probably cry with the emotional journey. I think you're going to teach me how to use.43:25.5 - 44:25.30en-gb0.95Yeah, we got on there as well, so I gave up with me. So that was useless internet word before the useless slipping. Yeah, so that's what we're going to do so we will you be doing that as well as everything else that you're used to be bringing out the occasion articles on Fallout virtual new groundbreaking new ground. We have a lot to all that lot time last week over than that book. I was doing on on the wall. That's going on which has now passed on. I'm now. I've now got a bit more time. I'm finishing the Arkham book fine study of art in the age of Total War and then in between writing finishing off chapters.44:25.5 - 45:24.50en-gb0.95Going to be doing models at the Loughborough plumbers outside B70 B29 right, but you have to explain them there this month and it's something in the B78 is not focusing on it as a particular pathway of the A34 for the 12th or the 15th command. Yes and then you had the the sneaky Beaky British Hughes and then you had it in you get kc200 did mayfly and yes, there's there's a lovely lovely story, but there was a Bobby Reid 1944 844. What are the score of the side Gardens noticed?45:25.5 - 46:23.20en-gb0.95B-17f we still have the jungle. There's a little bit observing and what was he doing that got lost or formation bar that was just having a nosey. So they didn't think anything of it and it was 15 by the Germans they had about three of the Japanese also managed to build to using the darkness of B17 season DS that we built by American and so are they the most to get the laughing at 3 and what was that are born? There is a photograph photographs of the Japanese archives disappeared and were destroyed and then I cleaned inside Sally be ok.46:25.4 - 47:25.40en-gb0.95I was really surprised in a previous life. I was also the insurer not me person at the in a company that insured a lot of these are craft which is why I got access to so many of them and I've been into Bee's bb17 and B29 went in the B-29 with them and their manhood flown on the roads in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the Pacific and Ash can't believe how lucky they were that that's the thing we were talking about before we started a few weeks ago and I forgot to check this out and the F-15 and the B24 are roughly the same as how how much is the b-17 that design if you compare it to Lancaster Lancaster reflux.47:25.4 - 48:24.90en-gb0.95Yeah, I was surprisingly for British design. Military is exceptionally flexible bb17 wasn't that awkward Bombay the internal basically Road horizontal so it can be modified in any way shape or for me some really didn't help it was a quite a short-range bother to B24 which did better with the with the 12th cities in the Far East if I've got that wrong. I apologise to play well. Let me have the B-29 it's gone all the good bits of the b-17 the B24 and they literally have developed quite scary you you look really about the history of this thing and we'll see my research B29 will get the sweet prototypes going and then we'll make me order.48:25.4 - 49:19.90en-gb0.94Huge gamble the Americans have seen all this and then I think of the Battle of Kansas where they they would chasing at the supplies to make sure that all the aircraft all the blocks the same Standard curated, Oxford Circus round the B-29 and I was I was quite impressed actually could you say you read the books but you see you like fluid and we're all there watching it flying and it was very impressive the the problem with Windows with when you can try and think about it. If you don't see the scale side the aircraft Look shoes inside it's really small it is in it.49:25.3 - 50:24.10en-gb0.95I think I stop my head off it could be wrong. They're probably but I'm building at the moment. I'm building at the airport at night you can the bf 109 same scale on top of the week of B29 and the wing aircraft, was you look at what the engineers did Andy Herman and the Indian women and everyone sorry who did all the work on on the B-29 they literally move down to say developed an aircraft in next to B17 up to three years running time before it was something accepted into service dziedzic need for a very heavy bomber over Road everything else and the pressures at the centre of the Air Force for under to produce produce and support the Pacific War50:25.3 - 51:22.90en-gb0.95Let's the to B29 you know it's very interesting when someone talks about an aeroplane like the b-17 my mind always goes back to the Airfix box cover Better Life by the way by Milton caniff and the Beast 17 on my stuff because it looks like an action pick unit it since it's one of the engine is on fire. There is a blue background and it's a beautiful silver body and you just look at it. It's just just take it that you want to build a look at the Old box that I've had the we've had this discussion before with Gary from Calais and yourself you understood the brief they understood the press that understood the sign signifier signified process. They really were they will only know that.51:25.3 - 52:24.90en-gb0.94He died recently deleted. Yes, so people in with the artwork and whether it was the b-17 which was that was my colleague the iPhone iPhone clever about the Airfix kids not so much. I don't like the new ones but the boxes in those days. There was a white surround and the picture had lots of colour to the white surround was actually lifting the picture of the page and it just it's just very profound remember when they did the what's it called the Hercules and it's ground loading up a bloodhound and of course the bloodhound was part of the kit and was all that rich brown colours and it just looks like a kit you wanted to build.52:25.2 - 53:22.80en-gb0.95Pics with the marketing department in the 6th year for the 53 to the early 80s were there in the has a game and the website you can see what they did it that is awful real-time shots ever finish model on top of blueprints now the time that was my then you could see me look quite you know you look quite modern contemporary the retrospectively it was big step back because you look at people look like to Mirror in particular can be there is still doing this lovely rich illustrations which true you in and I'm looking for the coming forwards and also I mean I don't remember but the French markings did yes, yes it didn't show where did they?53:25.2 - 54:25.00en-gb0.95F-104 Starfighter that was a good cover as well. That's a really that was a proper those excited another one is the match the match box with the same way, they just understands, but they had candy colours around the sides of them so the picture, but there was this Candy red and orange which I don't really like it very much, but the house to get the Airfix catalogues not because I wanted the catalogue so much does a pictures don't remember you can get a great big that used to be in length, and if you got if you got the right ones you buy to keep the catalogue for itself and then you take the other one and you.54:25.2 - 55:24.40en-gb0.94Pictures on the wall, what are used to cut out the front of the the boxes news on my wardrobe and stayed the WD40 out to get the blue text bigger fix funny Monday repeat as well with the I don't remember but they came up with that blohm and voss aircraft with the one engine. Yeah, the other one was it running I always get confused and then don't have that kid and then of course they did the they did me because you had limited funds in your youth and I created this horrible choice.55:25.2 - 56:25.00en-gb0.95Ju-52 which of the paratroopers for now and then they had the he 177 Mandy with all left double wheel and that was hard work for me because I have limited funds so it was over the ju-52 which of course is probably my favourite German aircraft. Oh yeah and then I had this huge cycle 177 which of course with those particularly because it was rushed into operations, but it was great kids I mean in the end. I got both because blackmail my grandmother in to give me and I wouldn't take it to the Battle of Britain make a watch the explosions game but I got both and they would do like it if you feel any better and thanks again through.56:25.1 - 57:23.20en-gb0.95The weather releasing their engagement with the the ocean and the sound market model making and they the drip feeding is all kids on motorbikes and every day managed to get back are we doing them? So you don't want you know what they're doing and I know they are they releasing with the original artwork as well still got a few left, but I haven't got the my mum. Kept them and realise she done it. She kept the Sterling wow with the with the wheels down and that's funny cover that was on the on the wheel station and the Bombay open with the mask we could see all the mess bombs B24 liberator and of course my ju-52. I don't know what happened to all the others Spanish anyway. Yeah.57:25.1 - 58:25.00en-gb0.95Which is out at this time round about the craft this this month or next month. Sorry next month this month when we should talk about that is the Germans win that was a really interesting book to write because there's something that I had two years ago and then back to it when you really little bits and pieces you like God's cheese. Yeah, but that was interesting book to write and with all the BattleCraft we've got some models in there. We got models from western models we got models from this experience models which I think is really bored. So you books used to give my love to try sometimes there. Is this week we had to have the perfect model well you know.58:25.1 - 59:25.10en-gb0.95Yeah, what way chasing excellence don't know perfection chase excellence not perfection looking for perfection my models now covering themselves up in show everyone should be proud of what you're doing and that's always a person. I really passionately believe modelling is everyone I don't care. How good I have back if you'd enjoy doing something. Have you got pleasure from it model that is definitely I will stand with my flag of the and a cup of soup on my cardigan after all the heavy snow restaurant suffered PTSD for cancer and I was really quite poorly and Nanny said right you can build the six kids and got my mind and so in a sense of them being grumpy about Airfix they did actually do me a favour. They kinda save my my59:25.0 - 01:00:25.00en-gb0.95Going over the top but no it doesn't matter it's a reminder of the past. I think I think you can get an awful. Lot of enjoyment out of them. I mean I have to say by model tanks are well painted and I'm at ladies and gentlemen is the statement of today's podcast about Robert Rose and Crown tonight 7:30. I'm in second ok, babe. Just be aware that take 4:15 on pool table Nottingham for none of my texts 14 starling red. I'll talk about what they speak. Is that I got some love.01:00:25.0 - 01:01:24.20en-gb0.95And from the charges of stuff really. Have you tried it Russian images in the moment? Yeah, good luck with that. They really stayed read out the barriers for the current Robert yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course. It's easy actually in Furness to the archive. They are making life easier. They genuinely are so I can't whip me jumping and talking and stuff. I think I've recovered all the things that they going to do we should have one minute to make sure we've done everything that you book Hitman Look released my dog to kids2kids little girl.01:01:25.0 - 01:02:23.10en-gb0.94176 scale dimension dimension the food photos turnips cauliflower or Pepsi this is important you said foods important. So so I'll be calculated am I getting my arms. I'm gonna on that bombshell in the words Jeremy Clarkson the Farmer not me talk to Motherwell restaurants.01:02:24.9 - 01:03:24.60en-gb0.95What's this thing is quite good actually really don't like it. Don't get him at all. I know about boxing about this one thing we haven't talked about that. We are going to talk about. What's up. When we when I come over and we go to Newark Air Museum of the time you can also be discussions about steam trains and get sorted and hopefully we can have a live broadcast yeah animal game and I might be going to see the biggest steam festival in May so I don't care because this is all about quality about giving you what you want what you think you want or what we think you want as long as we're back in business.01:03:24.9 - 01:04:02.80en-gb0.94So well, thank you so much for your time. My friend has always been the glass of Port that you sent me perfect pork with pork and Biggles over there and then we got to damson.gin now right enough about you. Are you take care? Thanks again? Thanks for your support. I will see you very soon