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September 22, 2022

Russia's Von Stauffenberg moment

I’m not a fan of Von Stauffenberg and think his myth has been promoted to assuage German guilt over their military being more than willing accomplices to genocide and lubensraum death empire building.

This is true for nationalist Navalny and was true for the ‘good Germans’ i.e. war criminal Slav hating lebensraum anti-Semite warriors Junkers who tried to get rid of Hitler while continuing the war against Slavs. Von “Poles only happy under the boot” Stauffenberg was no hero and neither is Navalny.

I am not the only one:

Or here:

The movie also gives us little sense of what else was going on in the Reich in the summer of 1944 when the assassination attempt finally took place. At that point, as the Red Army advanced and war crimes tribunals loomed, the SS was even beginning to wind down the extermination of the Jews. In other words, Stauffenberg left it until extremely late in the day. One might also think, from watching the movie, that the conspirators were enlightened democrats. Far from it. Men like Carl Goerdeler, who would have become German chancellor if the Stauffenberg coup had succeeded, were national conservatives who hated the Weimar Republic as much as the Nazi dictatorship and wanted essentially to restore aristocratic rule and maintain German domination of contintental Europe. (There was another connected group, the Kreisau circle around Helmuth James von Moltke, which was motivated more by Christian and socialist principles, but unlike the national conservatives it declined to act against Hitler.)

I have in the past relentlessly attacked the Russian ‘woe is me’ narrative and the ‘good Russian’ narrative that Russians are the real victims, the true victims of its evil Tsars and Stalins and Putins.

When reading ‘good Russians’, remember the ‘road to Bucha leads not through Pushkin but by suppressing Pushkin”.

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Jeffrey Goldberg @JeffreyGoldberg
"It hurts to be Russian right now. What can I say when I hear that a Pushkin monument is being dismantled in Ukraine? I just keep quiet and feel penitent. And hope that perhaps a Ukrainian poet will speak up for Pushkin."
theatlantic.comDon’t Blame DostoyevskyI understand why people hate all things Russian right now. But our literature did not put Putin in power or cause this war.
12:44 PM ∙ Jul 24, 2022
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Unless they’re a foreign invader or an incidental madman, countries generally deserve the leaders they get - the leader grew up in the country or was accepted by the country (I’m still calling Hitler a German and Stalin a Russian). Hitler didn’t delude a nation, he was the natural consequence of generations of lies and hatred, starting before Bismarck, going through the Kaiser, then Ludendorff who seized power from him then Hindenberg. Putin is just another genocidal Russian tsar who would be loved by Russians if he was a bit more effective, honest and generous. But Russians hate him for being corrupt, ineffective and dishonest. And losing the war. Like Stauffenberg ‘hated’ Hitler for losing a war.

We at Fallout started calling this war genocide before many Ukrainians did. I’m not boasting or criticizing them, I think Ukrainians were generally shocked and unbelieving that this was happening to them. Being genocided is unbelievable - especially from people you were told for centuries were your cousins, brothers and sisters even. Despite the Holodomor and centuries of oppression (Lemkin’s Soviet Genocide in Ukraine).

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3 years ago · Dustin Du Cane
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3 years ago · Dustin Du Cane

We were talking genocide privately around the end of February, long before Bucha. Phil wrote in March and we have the receipts. I started writing our book (UPDATE) exactly on April 11th after agreeing with my friend Philip Blood we should write something. Not to make money, I put in hundreds of hours into a project instead of I could have spent doing legal work or marketing - but to do something (nothing compared people like the soldiers fighting or volunteers like Nick Budd).

Genocide is a scary word and people are terrified of it. There are good reasons to be cautious like Eugene Finkel was up to Bucha because a claim of genocide is stating that the worst thing in the world is happening, don’t say it lightly, especially in light of the intent requirement for the legal crime of genocide in the Genocide Convention:

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Eugene Finkel @eugene_finkel
As a genocide scholar I am an empiricist, I usually dismiss rhetoric. I also take genocide claims with a truckload of salt because activists apply it almost everywhere now. Not now. There are actions, there is intent. It's as genocide as it gets. Pure, simple and for all to see
10:08 AM ∙ Apr 4, 2022
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We did have a bit of a go at academics other than Finkel in another later podcast when they still refused to call it genocide.

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3 years ago · Dustin Du Cane

Anyway, back to the direct subject, I justed wanted to point out that we were not Johnny come lately and even the delayed and cautious academic response is a hundred times better than the Russian non-response to their war.

I carefully chose von Stauffenberg as an example of the Russian response.

He started plotting against a losing war. Not a genocide war as such.

Yesterday we saw some degree of Russian protest against what the naive call the war and we at Fallout call, protests against mobilisation.

And we are not the only ones.

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Business Ukraine mag @Biz_Ukraine_Mag
Many in Ukraine are angered by Russian anti-mobilisation protests. They feel that Russians stayed silent while Putin’s army committed genocide against Ukrainians but now suddenly find the courage to protest
8:20 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Where were these Russians in 2014? On February 24 2022? In March 2022? When the graves were found in Bucha? When the graves were found just now in Izyum? When the Russians massacred Ukrainian POWs? When the Russians flattened Mariupol?

That’s a city destroyed. Thousands dead. You need to be stupid, callous, cynical and/or a little bit evil to ignore that. Or a typical ‘laugh love live’ Russian. The ‘non-political’ ones.

Russians ignored the genocide up to this point.

Remember, “it hurts to be Russian right now”. Those poor suffering Russians.

It’s always about Russia. Russian suffering. Poor Russians.

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ido vock @idvck
How many people mouthing off on Twitter would be brave enough to shout “NO WAR!” as they’re being carted off by four Russian policemen? Not many would be my guess. https://t.co/8bSpHWQRbz
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SOTA @Sota_Vision
‼️Жестокое задержание на Арбатской #москва #война https://t.co/bJKFL9YOrI
4:30 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Well, my grandfather was in the Polish resistance back when the occupation regime was a bit more brutal than this. He went through four concentration camps, including Auschwitz and the hellhole of Dora. He didn’t shout no war.

I don’t think the Gestapo gently picked my grandfather up in his blood-splattered cell during the two months of torture we have on record.

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NEXTA @nexta_tv
A man on #Moscow's Arbat is dragged along the ground.
4:55 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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All those WW2 partisans that the Russians appropriate - they were mostly Ukrainians, Belarussians and Poles. Or Jews labelled bandits/partisans and hunted down by the Nazis as part of extermination warfare.

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2 years ago · 3 likes · 1 comment · Dr Philip W Blood

This is supposed to be a protest, occurring close by to where I live:

#Warsaw, in front of the Russian embassy, an action against mobilization is also taking place. Protesters chant \"Putin is #Russia's enemy\". ","username":"nexta_tv","name":"NEXTA","date":"Wed Sep 21 18:48:30 +0000 2022","photos":[{"img_url":"https://substackcdn.com/image/upload/w_728,c_limit/l_twitter_play_button_rvaygk,w_120/tsc3prornnd8gl2wkvsk","link_url":"https://t.co/8AyKqkraTL","alt_text":null}],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":523,"like_count":3026,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":"https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1572658860623646721/pu/vid/640x360/1X5Zhr_8Oou7rAJI.mp4?tag=12","belowTheFold":true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM">
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NEXTA @nexta_tv
In #Warsaw, in front of the Russian embassy, an action against mobilization is also taking place. Protesters chant "Putin is #Russia's enemy".
6:48 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Funny they didn’t protest the genocide and invasion earlier.

But mobilisation… oh no.

Don’t want to die for glorious rodina and Putin’s war (yours)?

My heart bleeds for you.

Not.

You were happy to live of Putin’s breadcrumbs. You didn’t protest over Bucha. You didn’t protest over Mariupol - the dead children. THE DEAD CHILDREN.

(Reuters via BBC)

You didn’t protest over Izyum even just now.

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Paul Massaro @apmassaro3
For Russians, the war has come home
8:52 AM ∙ Sep 22, 2022
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But now your precious little lives are slightly inconvenient? Woe is me. Woe is me.

Sip your rebranded genocide Tsarbucks coffee, complain that Russian incompetence means you don’t have real McDs fries (in the land of the potato) and remember to appropriate the Chechens as Russian resistance fighters just like you did Belarussians, Ukrainians, Poles and above all Jews in World War 2.

@lukaszsawickiwx @idvck About 150'000~200'000 in Russia died fighting against, or being civilians killed by the govt. of Russia.","username":"Vokabre","name":"Michael Vokabre","date":"Wed Sep 21 18:43:30 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":1,"like_count":5,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null,"belowTheFold":true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM">
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Michael Vokabre @Vokabre
@lukaszsawickiwx @idvck About 150'000~200'000 in Russia died fighting against, or being civilians killed by the govt. of Russia.
6:43 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Michael Vokabre @Vokabre
@DustinDuCane @lukaszsawickiwx @idvck Ppl. killed in wars against the govt. (incl. Chechens now deported by the EU to Kadyrov), in "counter-terrorism" ops, activists&relatives killed by police, thugs (e.g. Nemtsov bridge guard Ivan Skripnichenko) or driven to suicide (e.g. pro-Ukraine activist Vlad Kolesnikov).
11:04 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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The groundwork for marginalizing the Holocaust as well as genocide against Slavs which proportionally affected Poles, Belarussians and Ukrainians more than Russians as ethnic Russian land was mostly not occupied, was laid during two trials which are now forgotten - those carried out in Krasnodar in July 1943 (Soviet traitors) and Kharkiv (Germans and one traitor), now in Ukraine, in December 1943.

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Dustin Du Cane @DustinDuCane
@KdwUh @JOStrumillo @nexta_tv I live literally down the street and didn’t see Rus protests over the last months. I marched a couple of times and didn’t see their new imperial flags then. I wrote a book on Russia genocide before they protested mobilization.
9:03 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Julia Tymoshenko 🇺🇦 @YuliaTymosha
And don’t you even dare, don’t you try to ask Ukrainians to demonstrate any sort of compassion to “poor russians who don’t wanna go to war.” They had 7 months to do something about it but they had given 0 fucks about the bloody war before it came knocking at their doors.
3:50 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Meanwhile, Iranians are burning police cars and hundreds or thousands will die. And they know it.

And Russians are protesting mobilisation. Not war. Not war crimes. Not crimes against humanity. Not genocide.

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Dimko Zhluktenko 🇺🇦 @dim0kq
These protests in Moscow 🤡 Bro, we had longer queues to military offices to enroll into military.
7:24 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Maria Drutska 🇺🇦 @maria_drutska
russians want us to feel bad for them now they'll be forced to die for their chosen dictator's goals Where were you when your soldiers were torturing and killing our families in Bucha, Mariupol, Kherson, Irpin, Iziyum? Now, you will end in Ukraine. Karma is a b*tch.
4:46 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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Poor Russia.

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No Ko-fi buttons this time because we’re not completely soulless grifters.

PS I’ve lost the terrible animated video by a Russian where he shows a sequence of Russian rulers doing bad things to Russians. Woe is me, woe is me. Might add later.

Update:

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Jabberwocky @FartherPhteven
Short story of Russia. Its made by a russian so I recommend looking out for details
11:05 AM ∙ Aug 31, 2022
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PPS hahahahaah

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A n n a 🌻 @tweet4anna
Mobilization Russian way. Russian Army individual: “I am for Russia, I will go fight in Ukraine, I am for mobilization!” OMON: “Ok, let’s go, you are detained” Russian Army individual: “Wait, it’s a mistake” 🌻
10:25 PM ∙ Sep 21, 2022
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PPPS The road to Bucha is through Pushkin (27 May 2024 update)

Use English subtitles

PPPPS A more sympathetic look with

@OxanaShevel, @PopovaProf, and @EHunterChristie that protests against conscription are welcome and many Russian liberals who protest deserve respect but in most cases not adulation. A particular concern is that many of them share some of Putin's views on Ukraine. 1/ ","username":"MattLightCrim","name":"Matthew Light","date":"Thu Sep 22 02:31:18 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{"full_text":"There is a gulf between perspectives of liberal russians, who cheer today's protest participants as heroes, & ukrainians who point out that protesting only when war is about to impact you personally is not earning them a hero label from people were victimized by the war 4 months. https://t.co/YQAOfjF6Od","username":"OxanaShevel","name":"Oxana Shevel 🇺🇦👊🚜🌻"},"retweet_count":13,"like_count":58,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null,"belowTheFold":true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM">
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Matthew Light @MattLightCrim
I agree with @OxanaShevel, @PopovaProf, and @EHunterChristie that protests against conscription are welcome and many Russian liberals who protest deserve respect but in most cases not adulation. A particular concern is that many of them share some of Putin's views on Ukraine. 1/
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Oxana Shevel 🇺🇦👊🚜🌻 @OxanaShevel
There is a gulf between perspectives of liberal russians, who cheer today's protest participants as heroes, & ukrainians who point out that protesting only when war is about to impact you personally is not earning them a hero label from people were victimized by the war 4 months. https://t.co/YQAOfjF6Od
2:31 AM ∙ Sep 22, 2022
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