We are trained to believe leadership is about vision, strategy, skills, and decisive action.

Joseph Jaworski points somewhere else. Perception.

Long before AI, long before today’s noise and acceleration, he was exploring what becomes possible when we truly learn to observe current reality without distortion, without rushing to fix, without reacting from habit.

In our conversation, Joseph shares the story of an impassioned call he once made to the physicist David Bohm. After reading Bohm’s work, something in him knew he needed to speak with him. He reached out directly. Bohm cleared his schedule and set aside an entire day to meet with him. That meeting became a turning point in Joseph’s life.

There was something quietly familiar in that story.

Years ago, after reading Synchronicity, I felt the same pull. I didn’t know how or if he would respond, but I sent an impassioned email anyway. That message led to a 90-minute phone call and, soon after, attending his next workshop. It wasn’t just an intellectual exchange. It was an encounter with someone who was living what he described.

That lineage matters to me.

In this conversation, he speaks about “the art of seeing.” Not as a metaphor, but as a disciplined way of being.

Observe, observe, observe. Let go. Drop into beginner’s mind. Act when clarity is present.

His presence and work have influenced me more deeply than I can easily explain. He has shaped how I approach my own inner leader journey and the work I share today. The shift from doing better to seeing more clearly did not come from theory. It came from this lineage.

When I first conceived of this interview series to accompany my book, The Perception Miracle, I never imagined I would have the opportunity to speak with Joseph again. At age 90, he is as sharp and alert as someone half his age or younger. More than that, he carries a steadiness that can only come from decades of practicing what he teaches.

This conversation is not about adding another leadership framework. It is an invitation to slow down, to look again, and to discover that the future we seek begins with how we see.

If you’ve been sensing that something deeper is required in this moment, I think you’ll find this exchange meaningful.

I invite you to read, Joseph Jaworski on The Art of Seeing.

— Bill