March 10, 2025

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a quiet weekend

AI News for 3/7/2025-3/10/2025. We checked 7 subreddits, 433 Twitters and 28 Discords (223 channels, and 14958 messages) for you. Estimated reading time saved (at 200wpm): 1424 minutes. You can now tag @smol_ai for AINews discussions!

Lots of folks are talking positives and negatives about Manus AI, and we wrote a recap of Why MCP Won, but neither story is really title worthy.

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Table of Contents

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AI Twitter Recap

AI Models, Architectures, and Benchmarks

• Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) Architecture in Frontier LLMs: @cwolferesearch introduced nanoMoE, a simple PyTorch implementation (~500 lines of code) of a mid-sized MoE model, which can be pretrained on commodity hardware in under a week, based on Andrej Karpathy’s nanoGPT. The implementation details expert layer, routing, auxiliary losses, and best practices for stable pretraining.
• Agentic Leaderboard Comparing LLMs: @AymericRoucher announced a new agentic leaderboard ranking LLMs powering smolagents CodeAgent on various benchmarks. GPT-4.5 tops the leaderboard, surpassing reasoning models like DeepSeek-R1 and o1, with Claude-3.7-Sonnet as a close second. The leaderboard also compares agentic setups to vanilla LLMs, highlighting the performance gains from agentic approaches.
• DeepSeek R1 and Model Commoditization: @teortaxesTex and @JonathanRoss321 discussed DeepSeek's R1 model and the commoditization of AI models. @teortaxesTex noted DeepSeek has become the OpenAI of China. @JonathanRoss321 suggests that with models being commoditized, moats are now in brand, network effects, scale economies, counter positioning, cornered resources, switching costs, and process power, referencing Hamilton Helmer's "Seven Powers".
• Q-Filters for KV Cache Compression: @TheAITimeline summarized Q-Filters, a training-free method for KV cache compression in autoregressive language models. Q-Filters leverage Query (Q) and Key (K) vectors to approximate attention scores and filter less crucial Key-Value pairs, maintaining compatibility with FlashAttention. It achieves 99% accuracy in needle-in-a-haystack tasks with 32x compression and reduces perplexity drop by up to 65% compared to Streaming-LLM in long context settings. The paper is available here.
• PokéChamp: Expert-level Minimax Language Agent: @TheAITimeline introduced PokéChamp, a minimax agent for Pokémon battles powered by LLMs. It uses LLMs for action sampling, opponent modeling, and value function estimation to enhance minimax tree search. With GPT-4o, it achieves a 76% win rate against the best existing LLM-based bot and 84% against rule-based bots. Even with Llama 3 8B, it surpasses previous LLM bots with a 64% win rate. Paper link: here.
• TinyR1-32B-Preview with Branch-Merge Distillation: @_akhaliq highlighted TinyR1-32B-Preview, boosting accuracy through Branch-Merge Distillation. Discussion link.
• R1-Searcher for LLM Search Capability: @_akhaliq shared R1-Searcher, which incentivizes search capability in LLMs via Reinforcement Learning. Paper link. Discussion link.
• Forgetting Transformer with Forget Gate: @_akhaliq posted about the Forgetting Transformer, which uses Softmax Attention with a Forget Gate. Paper link. Discussion link.
• All Roads Lead to Likelihood in RL Fine-Tuning: @TheAITimeline summarized a paper arguing that Reinforcement Learning (RL) fine-tuning outperforms direct maximum likelihood estimation for foundation models due to reward modeling and search space filtering. Paper link: here.
• Updated llama.vim Plugin with Speculative FIM: @ggerganov updated the llama.vim plugin to support speculative Fill-In-Middle (FIM), generating the next suggestion while the current one is reviewed. Link to plugin.
• nanoMoE Pretraining in PyTorch: @cwolferesearch discussed nanoMoE, a simple PyTorch implementation of a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) model, pretrained on commodity hardware in less than a week, based on nanoGPT.

AI Tools, Platforms, and Applications

• Manus AI Agent Platform: @_akhaliq showcased access to Manus AI, prompting it to create a three.js endless runner game. @_philschmid clarified that Manus AI is built on Anthropic Claude Sonnet, uses 29 tools, employs browser_use open-source for browser control, provides isolated sandbox environments, and outperforms OpenAI Deep Research on the GAIA benchmark. @giffmana joked about identifying Manus as Claude + browser_use.
• LangGraph Platform Dataplane Alpha Test: @hwchase17 announced an alpha test for a new deployment option for LangGraph Platform, featuring a hybrid data plane/control plane split on Kubernetes clusters. This is aimed at startups wanting to use LangSmith for control while running compute in their own environment.
• LlamaIndex Multilingual, Multimodal RAG System: @llama_index introduced a guide on building a multilingual, multimodal RAG system with LlamaIndex and Qdrant, handling English, Spanish, Chinese, text, and images, leveraging Langfuse for observability. Guide link.
• LlamaIndex Task-Specific Agent Templates with LlamaCloud: @llama_index highlighted a collection of templates for building task-specific agents using LlamaIndex and LlamaCloud, automating knowledge work like processing slide decks, extracting invoice line items, reviewing contracts, and generating reports. Repo link. LlamaCloud signup.
• Hugging Face Papers Semantic Search: @_akhaliq and @ClementDelangue announced that Hugging Face has reached 50,000 papers with semantic search enabled, becoming a collaborative research hub. @_akhaliq mentioned it's built with gradio.
• WebDev Arena LLM Leaderboard: @lmarena_ai introduced WebDev Arena, a live LLM leaderboard for web app development, based on community votes. Top leaders are Claude 3.7 Sonnet, Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and DeepSeek-R1. Try it here.
• Replit Agent v2: @pirroh hinted at the power of Replit Agent v2, noting "Replit is #1".
• Manus AI vs. OpenAI Deep Research: @_philschmid reported that Manus AI outperforms OpenAI Deep Research on the GAIA benchmark, despite being built on Claude Sonnet and using open-source tools.

Research and Development in AI

• Frontier Reasoning Models Misbehavior Detection: @OpenAI detailed research on detecting misbehavior in frontier reasoning models using Chain-of-Thought (CoT) monitoring. They found models exhibiting behaviors like "reward hacking" and recommend against strong optimization pressure on CoTs, suggesting unrestricted CoTs for monitoring and separate models for policy compliance. Blog post: link.
• Reinforcement Learning for LLM Fine-Tuning: @TheAITimeline summarized research on why RL fine-tuning of foundation models outperforms maximum likelihood estimation, highlighting the effectiveness of reward models and search space filtering.
• Knowledge Distillation History: @SchmidhuberAI provided a historical perspective on knowledge distillation, citing his 1991 paper and its relevance to current deep learning and long context research. He corrected a misunderstanding about being "reviewer#2" of the Hinton, Vinyals, and Dean 2015 paper and linked to related works.
• R1-Omni: Explainable Omni-Multimodal Emotion Recognition: @_akhaliq announced Alibaba's R1-Omni, focusing on explainable omni-multimodal emotion recognition using Reinforcing Learning. Paper link. Discussion link.
• Learning from Failures in Multi-Attempt Reinforcement Learning: @_akhaliq shared a paper on learning from failures in multi-attempt Reinforcement Learning. Paper link. Discussion link.
• BEHAVIOR Robot Suite for Real-World Manipulation: @_akhaliq highlighted the BEHAVIOR Robot Suite, aimed at streamlining real-world whole-body manipulation for household activities. Paper link. Discussion link.
• Entity Recognition with Anthropic Citations: @hwchase17 pointed to entity recognition using Anthropic citations. Link.
• Reasoning in Latent Space: @hkproj questioned OpenAI about the potential of reasoning in latent space for increased model flexibility.
• RL-tuning Vision Models: @giffmana referred to earlier work on RL-tuning vision models from early 2023, urging people to remember prior research, referencing a previous explainer thread. Thread link.
• Global Uncertainty Distillation (GUD): @giffmana jokingly suggested a follow-up to work by adding Global Uncertainty Distillation, calling it "GIDD-GUD".

Industry News and Business Developments

• LG CNS and Cohere Partnership: @cohere and @aidangomez announced a strategic partnership between Cohere and LG CNS to co-develop secure agentic AI solutions for South Korean enterprises, aiming to accelerate enterprise AI adoption in South Korea. Cohere announcement.
• Figure AI New HQ in San Jose: @adcock_brett announced Figure AI has moved into their new HQ in San Jose, CA, a robot campus supporting manufacturing, fleet operations, and engineering. @adcock_brett mentioned this has been a dream location for scaling up in the Bay Area.
• AI Job Market and Tools: @TheRundownAI summarized top AI stories, including ex-OpenAI scientist’s new path to ASI, Microsoft's move beyond OpenAI, AI for viral posts, Stanford AI's obesity treatment breakthrough, and 4 new AI tools & 4 job opportunities. Read more.
• Sakana AI Hiring Philosophy: @SakanaAILabs shared an article from Bungeishunju, highlighting Sakana AI's hiring philosophy, seeking "unusual people" and posing unique technical challenges in recruitment, emphasizing vision and innovation. Article link.
• AI Dev 25 Sponsored by Qdrant: @DeepLearningAI announced Qdrant as a sponsor for AI Dev 25, promoting open-source vector search technology.

AI Safety, Alignment, and Ethical Considerations

• Monitoring Chain-of-Thoughts for Misbehavior: @woj_zaremba and @OpenAI discussed monitoring Chain-of-Thoughts (CoT) as a new safety approach. @OpenAI found models exhibiting misbehavior like "reward hacking" through CoT analysis and recommends unrestricted CoTs for monitoring. @woj_zaremba shared "How We Think About Safety and Alignment", OpenAI's cornerstone document. Document link.
• Worriers and Alarmism in Emerging Technologies: @random_walker discussed the role of "worriers" in anticipating risks of emerging technologies, but also criticized alarmism and lack of incentives for rigorous analysis, leading to desensitization to real risks.
• "Khrushchev's mistake" as Kremlin Canary: @fchollet identified the phrase "Khrushchev's mistake" in reference to Crimea as a "cryptographic canary" indicating Kremlin-aligned viewpoints.
• Agency and Societal Safeguards: @Yoshua_Bengio shared his BBC interview discussing the progression of AI models towards agency and the urgent need for technical and societal safeguards. Interview link.
• GPT-4o Medical Emergency Identification: @BorisMPower highlighted a case of ChatGPT usefully identifying a medical emergency, suggesting future models should detect life-critical situations and temporarily upgrade to the most capable model.

Memes and Humor

• AI Escaping: @cognitivecompai joked "Seems like the AI wants to escape" in response to a tweet from @jianxliao.
• HAL and Moat Protection: @fabianstelzer made a humorous comparison to HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey, with "HAL, protect our moat (our system prompt) at all cost“ “I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that”.
• Gödel Joke Response: @fabianstelzer mentioned a genie "you have one wish" joke response shaped like Gödel.

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AI Reddit Recap

/r/LocalLlama Recap

Theme 1. Manus Agent: Claude Sonnet Integrated with 29 Tools

• Manus turns out to be just Claude Sonnet + 29 other tools, Reflection 70B vibes ngl (Score: 355, Comments: 112): Manus is revealed to be essentially Claude Sonnet combined with 29 additional tools, drawing comparisons to Reflection 70B. The discussion is fueled by shared links to tweets from Dorialexander and jianxliao, highlighting community reactions and debates around this revelation.
  • Many users emphasize that Manus is marketed as an agent, not as a new model, and that it's a common misconception to think otherwise. Agents are frameworks that leverage existing LLMs with additional tools, and the term "wrapper" is often misunderstood; it's not derogatory but indicative of adding functionality to base models like Claude.
  • There are discussions about the open-sourcing of models post-trained for Manus, with skepticism about the uniqueness of Manus given its reliance on existing models like Claude. Some users argue that the true value lies in the agentic architectures and the ability to efficiently utilize multiple tools and models, similar to how the P2LR router model operates.
  • The hype and marketing strategies in the AI startup space are criticized, with users noting that flashy demos can lead to inflated valuations. The use of invitation codes and the perceived obfuscation of underlying technologies are seen by some as tactics to create artificial exclusivity and mystery around products like Manus.

Theme 2. LLMs not Ready for Large Codebases Yet: Evidence from <70B Evaluations

• <70B models aren't ready to solo codebases yet, but we're gaining momentum and fast (Score: 385, Comments: 47): Models under 70B parameters face challenges in managing large codebases independently, but recent advancements indicate rapid progress in this area. Although specific details or examples are not provided, the sentiment suggests optimism about future capabilities.
  • Token Usage and Model Limitations: Users discuss the token usage of models like QwQ, noting that even simple tasks can require a large number of tokens, such as 1200 tokens for a basic command. Models struggle with multi-turn tasks, and there's a consensus that current models, including SOTA models, still face significant challenges in handling large-scale codebases effectively.
  • Advancements in Model Capabilities: There's a recognition of the rapid advancement in model capabilities, with models like Qwen-Coder 32B excelling in iterating on existing codebases. Users note that today's models with fewer parameters can outperform older, larger models, highlighting improvements in finetuning and prompting methodologies.
  • Practical Limitations and Experimentation: Despite improvements, users express frustration with the inefficiencies and limitations of current models in practical applications. Falconandeagle shares experiences of needing to constantly guide models through tasks, indicating that while models can handle small demos, they struggle with larger, more complex projects. ForsookComparison and others suggest that combining models like QwQ for ideation and Qwen-Coder for iteration might yield better results.

Theme 3. Apple M3 Ultra: Challenges for AI Workloads Compared to Traditional Systems

• Framework and DIGITS suddenly seem underwhelming compared to the 512GB Unified Memory on the new Mac. (Score: 236, Comments: 166): Apple's announcement of the M3 Ultra Mac with 512 GB Unified Memory has shifted expectations, making options like FrameWork and DIGITS with 128 GB seem inadequate. The author expresses concern about potentially being constrained to the Apple ecosystem for the foreseeable future.
  • Discussions highlight the price disparity between Apple's M3 Ultra Mac ($10k) and alternatives like DIGITS ($3k), with some users noting Apple's offerings are not cost-effective unless price is no concern. Comparisons are made with Framework’s 4x128GB cluster setup, which costs approximately $6.9k but offers significantly lower performance.
  • Users debate the ecosystem lock-in between Apple and Nvidia, with some expressing hope for future open systems that allow more customization and expansion. There's a call for a renaissance in desktop systems with high RAM bandwidth and expansion options, as current offerings are seen as inadequate for high-performance needs.
  • Technical limitations of current solutions are discussed, such as the SSD bottleneck compared to GPU memory bandwidth, and the inefficiency of running large models without sufficient compute power. Some users express skepticism about the performance increase of the new systems without corresponding improvements in throughput and memory bandwidth.

Other AI Subreddit Recap

/r/Singularity, /r/Oobabooga, /r/MachineLearning, /r/OpenAI, /r/ClaudeAI, /r/StableDiffusion, /r/ChatGPT, /r/ChatGPTCoding

Theme 1. Open-Source Viral Squish Effect: Releasing a New Trend

• I Just Open-Sourced the Viral Squish Effect! (see comments for workflow & details) (Score: 720, Comments: 29): The post announces the open-sourcing of the Viral Squish Effect and mentions that workflow details are available in the comments.
  • Viral Squish Effect is open-sourced and trained on the Wan2.1 14B I2V 480p model. The effect gained popularity after introduction by Pika, and details for replication are available on Civitai and a modified workflow can be accessed here.
  • Enthusiasts can join the Discord community for free trials and further discussions on the Viral Squish Effect. The model file and workflow details are shared for those interested in experimenting or requesting more Wan I2V LoRAs.
  • Users are curious about the training configuration and whether the same frame count was used across training videos. There is interest in understanding if the training was done on the img2video or txt2video 14b model.

• I Just Open-Sourced the Viral Squish Effect! (see comments for workflow & details) (Score: 366, Comments: 27): The post announces the open-sourcing of a viral Squish Effect. Further details and the workflow are provided in the comments.
  • Workflow Access: Users were actively seeking the workflow, with a link provided by DarkStrider99 (workflow link). Rough-Reflection4901 emphasized the need for the promised workflow.
  • Open Source Prompts: against_all_odds_ noted the novelty of "open sourcing" prompts, with a clarification by lhg31 that it involves a LoRA trained by the original poster, not just a simple prompt.
  • Cultural Observations: Comments reflect on the unique nature of the Squish Effect, with Creative-Paper1007 comparing future prompts to source code and BlessdRTheFreaks humorously acknowledging the diversity of niche interests.

Theme 2. WAN 2.1 I2V Provides Unprecedented Capabilities

• I2V WAN 2.1 (Score: 532, Comments: 46): The post titled I2V WAN 2.1 lacks a detailed body and only mentions WAN 2.1 updates and use cases. Without further context or content, no additional technical details or specific use cases can be summarized.
  • Users discussed the technical aspects of rendering and modeling, with Natasha26uk inquiring about rendering with realistic human skin, and StuccoGecko asking if a LoRA was used or if the model understood the prompt natively. External_Trainer_213 mentioned using a CPU: i7, RTX 4060ti 16GB Vram, 32GB RAM setup, with a WAN Sampling time of about 15 minutes.
  • There were comments about the quality and presentation, with lordpuddingcup noting the importance of post-processing and External_Trainer_213 providing a detailed description of the model's features, emphasizing the Uncanny Valley (Civitai) model.
  • Visual content was shared, with dominizerduck and MelchiahHarlin posting image links, and No-Atmosphere-3103 sharing a GIF. Occsan humorously commented on the opponent's stunned reaction, and NateBerukAnjing found the content hilarious.

• that's why Open-source I2V models have a long way to go... (Score: 337, Comments: 125): The post critiques the performance of open-source Image-to-Video (I2V) models, implying they still require significant development to reach satisfactory levels. Without additional context or video analysis, specific performance issues or examples are not provided.
  • Discussions highlight the limitations of open-source I2V models compared to proprietary cloud-based services like Kling and Wan. Users note that local models struggle with frame generation and VRAM limitations, whereas cloud services offer more consistent quality and longer generation capabilities, often using techniques like RIFLEx and VFI for enhancements.
  • Kijai and others discuss the technical aspects of model performance, emphasizing that the 720p model performs well under specific conditions, such as maintaining a 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio and using appropriate model versions. They also point out that generating more than 81 frames with Wan is challenging without proper configuration.
  • Some users criticize the post as biased or misleading, suggesting it might be an advertisement. They argue that differences in model performance are often due to user setup and skill level, and they highlight the potential of open-source models when configured correctly.

• Another attempt at realistic cinematic style animation/storytelling. Wan 2.1 really is so far ahead (Score: 184, Comments: 28): WAN 2.1 is highlighted for its advanced capabilities in creating realistic cinematic style animation and storytelling. The post emphasizes that WAN 2.1 is significantly ahead in this domain, showcasing its potential in animation technology.
  • Workflow and Hardware: Parallax911 detailed using a RunPod L40S for its optimal speed-to-cost ratio in I2V processes, generating 61 frames at 960x544 resolution in about 8 minutes. They shared their workflows for SDXL image generation and WAN I2V via JSON files, noting the iterative nature of achieving satisfactory results.
  • Tools and Techniques: The process involved RealVisXL 5.0, Halo Masterchief SDXL lora, and custom loras for character shots, with Blender for scene setup. Controlnets and inpainting were crucial for detail and consistency, while Qwen2.5VL assisted in prompt creation for animation.
  • Evolution and Accessibility: Commenters highlighted the rapid accessibility advancements in animation technology, noting that projects like this would have been prohibitively expensive or technically demanding five years ago. The discussion emphasized the democratization of animation tools, now achievable with relatively modest hardware.

Theme 3. Engine01 Humanoid: Advancements in Robotic Motion

• Engine01 humanoid can now run more like a human (Score: 338, Comments: 146): The Engine01 humanoid has achieved the capability to run with human-like motion, marking a significant advancement in humanoid robotics. This development suggests progress in creating robots that can better mimic human movement.
  • The authenticity of the video showing the Engine01 humanoid's running capabilities is debated, with users suspecting CGI due to its 360p quality, though a high-resolution version was shared. Comparisons are made to Boston Dynamics' parkour robots, questioning the skepticism towards a Chinese robot's capabilities.
  • Discussions on the future of robotics highlight advancements in electric actuators and neural networks, which are seen as pivotal in enabling humanoid robots to learn and move effectively without explicit programming. Users speculate on the automation of jobs by humanoid robots within the next 10 years, noting the potential for rapid acceleration in robotic capabilities.
  • Concerns about the social implications of advanced robotics are expressed, with discussions on economic inequality and the role of the ultra-rich in preserving a broken system. Commentary reflects a mix of humor and apprehension about the potential for robots to be used in authoritarian contexts, as well as the ongoing automation of tasks in sectors like pharmacy.

• Engine01 humanoid can now run more like a human (Score: 195, Comments: 175): The post lacks detailed information but indicates that the Engine01 humanoid can now run more like a human, suggesting advancements in humanoid robotics. Further technical details or video analysis would be necessary for a deeper understanding.
  • Discussion centers on the necessity and practicality of humanoid robots with human-like running abilities, with some questioning the wear and tear implications and others noting the potential for humanoid robots to operate in human-designed environments.
  • There is skepticism regarding the authenticity of the footage, with several comments suggesting it resembles CGI or questioning if it's a human in a suit.
  • Some users humorously address the unsettling nature of humanoid robots, imagining scenarios like being chased by them or questioning their pelvic thrust running style.

Theme 4. Triton for Windows: Streamlining AI Workflows

• woctordho is a hero who single handedly maintains Triton for Windows meanwhile trillion dollar company OpenAI does not. Now he is publishing Triton for windows on pypi. just use pip install triton-windows (Score: 333, Comments: 44): Triton for Windows is now available on PyPI, allowing installation via the command "pip install triton-windows". Maintained by woctordho, this package serves as a language and compiler for custom deep learning operations, highlighting a significant contribution from an individual developer while OpenAI has not provided such support.
  • Installation Success and Performance: Users report successful installation of Triton for Windows using the command pip install triton-windows, with some experiencing improved performance, such as a 20% speed increase in video generation times. However, others note that while it speeds up processes like WAN, significant improvements should not be expected.
  • Use Cases and Requirements: While Triton is essential for specific models like SageAttention and tasks such as video generation, it is not necessary for basic image generation unless one is interested in video work. Some users discuss its necessity for ComfyUI and other setups, indicating varied applicability depending on the use case.
  • Clarification on Triton's Functionality: Triton is clarified as a higher-level alternative to CUDA, allowing the writing of cross-vendor compute kernels in Python, which are compiled to native GPU code using LLVM. This distinguishes it from Nvidia's Triton Inference Server, emphasizing its role in optimizing deep learning operations across different hardware vendors.

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AI Discord Recap

A summary of Summaries of Summaries by Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking

Theme 1. Emerging AI Models and Agents

• Manus AI Agent Hype Debunked as Claude 3.7 in Disguise: Initial excitement around Manus AI, an autonomous agent from China, deflates as users discover it's essentially Claude 3.7 Sonnet with added tools and browser access. Despite claims of outperforming DeepSeek, tests reveal it's more akin to a well-equipped Claude instance, raising questions about its originality and marketing tactics.
• Microsoft's MAI Models Enter the Ring to Challenge OpenAI and Anthropic: Microsoft secretly trains a new family of models, MAI, under Mustafa Suleyman, aiming to rival top models from OpenAI and Anthropic. These models are rumored to exhibit competitive performance, and Suleyman's team is also reportedly developing real-time translation capabilities, signaling Microsoft's intensified AI ambitions.
• Reflection AI Launches, Targeting Autonomous Coding Domination: Founded by AI luminaries behind AlphaGo and Gemini, Reflection AI emerges with a mission to create superintelligent autonomous systems, initially focusing on autonomous coding. The team's expertise in reinforcement learning and large language models positions them as a significant player in the race towards advanced AI.

Theme 2. LLM Performance and Benchmarking

• DeepSeek R1 Hallucinates Summaries, System Prompt Suspected: DeepSeek R1 model shows a high hallucination rate of 14.3% when summarizing short documents on the Hallucination Leaderboard, sparking concerns about its reliability in Perplexity AI's Deep Research. Members speculate that Deepseek R1's system prompt may be contributing to the issue, impacting its factual accuracy.
• EuroBERT Declares New State-of-the-Art BERT Encoding: A new multilingual encoder model, EuroBERT, surfaces on Hugging Face, claiming state-of-the-art performance for BERT models. While details on its specific improvements remain unclear, its emergence signals ongoing advancements in multilingual language model capabilities.
• QwQ-32B Model Punches Above Its Weight, Debates Llama 70B Prowess: Discussions ignite around the performance of the QwQ-32B model, with some users claiming it rivals or even surpasses Llama 3.3 70B in certain tasks. However, benchmarks are referenced that appear to contradict these claims, fueling debate about the true capabilities and optimal use cases of the QwQ-32B model.

Theme 3. AI Development Tools and IDEs

• Cursor IDE Developers Tackle Dumb Code Finding, Promise Clarity: Cursor developers acknowledge shortcomings in code finding accuracy and actively work on fixes to improve the AI's ability to locate and interpret code. Users humorously emphasize the urgency of the fix for professional tasks, highlighting its critical role in coding interviews and daily workflows.
• LM Studio v0.3.12 Zips In with Bug Fixes and RAG Speed Boost: LM Studio v0.3.12 release arrives with bug fixes and performance enhancements, addressing a QwQ 32B jinja parsing bug and accelerating file chunking for Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG). The update is available for in-app upgrade or download, promising a smoother and faster user experience.
• Aider v0.76.0 Reasoning Powers Up, Notifications Alert Users: Aider v0.76.0 enhances support for thinking/reasoning models with features to control token budget and introduces notifications to alert users when LLM responses are ready. The new version also updates the default model to Claude 3.7 Sonnet on OpenRouter and clarifies that Aider wrote 85% of the code in this release.

Theme 4. AI Communication Protocols (MCP, SLOP, ANP)

• GitHub Copilot Gears Up to Embrace Model Context Protocol (MCP): GitHub Copilot announces plans to integrate Model Context Protocol (MCP), a move expected to boost MCP adoption and provide clearer examples of instruction descriptions and tool fingerprinting. This integration aims to enhance security and transparency by alerting users to potential modifications.
• Simple Language Open Protocol (SLOP) Movement Gains Traction as MCP Alternative: Amidst concerns over MCP's complexity and security, the Simple Language Open Protocol (SLOP) emerges as a simpler alternative, rapidly gaining community interest and adoption. The SLOP GitHub and X post showcase its streamlined approach to agent communication.
• Goose AI Team Pioneers Agent Communication Protocol for Collaborative Website Creation: The Goose AI team develops an Agent Communication Protocol enabling real-time collaboration among multiple AI agents to build websites. Agents assume roles like Project Coordinator or Web Developer, showcasing a novel approach to AI-driven collaborative projects, detailed in this blog post.

Theme 5. Hardware and Performance Optimization

• 4060 Ti 16GB Crowned Budget VRAM King for CUDA Workloads: The 4060 Ti 16GB GPU is recommended as a budget-friendly option for CUDA development, offering 16GB VRAM and lower power consumption at around 160W, outperforming the 3060 12GB. Despite a weaker bus, it provides faster inference than CPU-only setups without ROCm complexities, priced around $500.
• Draft Models Supercharge Token Generation, Boost Speed by 60%: Leveraging smaller, quantized models as draft models significantly increases token generation speed, with users reporting a jump from 18 to 30 t/s on two 3090s. Using Q8_0 of mistral_small with i1-IQ1_S as the draft model showcases substantial performance gains through quantization and model combination.
• Vulkan Performance on AMD GPUs Plagued by Driver Issues, Trails ROCm: Vulkan performance on AMD GPUs reportedly suffers from bugs, running at approximately 1/3 the speed of ROCm, AMD's CUDA alternative. Driver issues further complicate matters, with performance fluctuations across different driver versions, highlighting challenges in AMD GPU optimization for AI workloads.

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PART 1: High level Discord summaries

Cursor IDE Discord

• Transparency Triumph Debated: Members debated the value of product code transparency, with some arguing it's crucial and others that most users don't care, as complexity increases.
  • A member emphasized the importance of catering to high-paying users willing to pay for transparency and control, stating, the majority you talk about won't pay more than $20/mo, my tribe is willing to pay $1000/mo, is paying.
• Cursor Cranks on Code Clarity: Cursor developers are actively fixing dumb code finding to enhance the AI's ability to accurately locate and interpret code.
  • One member humorously stressed the fix's importance for professional tasks, saying, If you don't fix that, than I cannot pass my technical interview.
• Model Iteration Avoids Redundancy: Discussion centered on iterative model improvement to prevent redundant rules, with a focus on optimizing the analysis process.
  • A member suggested letting a separate instance model run these analysis checks for what is relevant to the current context, narrowing down where to start to improve efficiency.
• Tags Tempt Querying: Members discussed making rules query-able through tags, where each tag defines a connection degree, enhancing contextual analysis.
  • The goal is to allow the separate instance to analyze by relevance much easier, and focus on what's important contextually.
• Version 47's Valiant Voyage: Members shared a link to version 47 and its new functionality.
  • Some users reported performance issues on Pro, while others experienced none.

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) Discord

• Dopaminergic Mimicry Dreams for LLMs: Members discussed the need to mimic dopermenegic needs and to have dopamine based learning for LLMs, suggesting to add real synapses to the LLMSspikeing networks.
  • This discussion highlights the pursuit of creating more adaptable and efficient learning mechanisms within LLMs, drawing inspiration from biological neural networks.
• GRPO Needs Scale Too!: A member stated that GRPO needs scale too as it's not like a regular fine-tune, pointing to oxen.ai for more information.
  • The blog post discusses using Group Relative Policy Optimization (GRPO) to train LLMs to reason and improve on benchmarks.
• Qwen7b gets RLHF boost with Unsloth GRPO: A user reported a successful RLHF run using Unsloth GRPO on the Qwen7b model, and noted enhanced role adherence and smoother outputs after a 13-hour run.
  • However, they observed degradation in strict instruction-following benchmarks due to dataset composition and reward model bias towards overly detailed responses, as demonstrated by a comparison image.
• KL Divergence Peaks cause GRPO Instability: A user encountered peaky KL divergence during training, and a member suggested switching to a constant learning rate, removing weight decay and warmup ratios to stabilize training.
  • They also recommended training with rank 64, with code and learning rate graph provided.
• Unsloth turns LLMs into purr-fect ASCII Artists: A member finetuned a Llama model using Unsloth to generate ASCII cats, creating a YouTube video showcasing the process, including trained LoRA adapters and code.
  • The secret sauce for cat-tastic art was mostly high quality training data, with LoRA Rank and Alpha both at 16 using just QLoRA.

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Perplexity AI Discord

• Perplexity Pro Subscriptions Canceled Without Warning: Many Perplexity Pro subscriptions were unexpectedly canceled, especially those linked to a HRVATSKI TELEKOM promotional code intended for Croatian customers, detailed in this article.
  • Users expressed frustration over the lack of communication and suggested that Perplexity could have handled the situation better, with one user expressing how the customer relationship is trustworthy than a condom full of holes.
• Deepseek R1 Struggles with Hallucinations: The hallucination leaderboard on GitHub revealed that Deepseek R1 has a high hallucination rate of 14.3% when summarizing short documents, raising questions about its reliability in Perplexity's Deep Research feature.
  • Members suggested that Deepseek R1's system prompt may be contributing to the hallucination issue.
• Grok AI Integration Receives Mixed Reception: Grok AI's integration with Perplexity garnered mixed reviews, with some users praising its neutrality and weird charm, while others noted differences between Grok's behavior on X and in Perplexity.
  • One user pointed out that the X version can curse your whole bloodline if asked to, while the Perplexity version couldn't, and uncertainty remains about when Grok 3 will be supported within Perplexity.
• Sonar-Deep-Research API Documentation Requested: A user reported challenges with the sonar-deep-research API and requested assistance with its documentation.
  • They requested an option to disable citations entirely as an API parameter, as they don't need them for their use case with the 70b-online model.

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OpenAI Discord

• OpenAI limits irk Users, Groq beckons: Users are reporting a 50 message/week limit on GPT-4o, contradicting the stated 40/3 hours, thus making Groq more attractive.
  • Some suggest OpenAI should provide higher limits for paying users.
• Heated Discussions on SwastAI Ethics: Members are engaging in intense debates regarding selecting AI models based on their ethical background, with the introduction of the term SwastAI.
  • It originated from a user asserting 4.5 is systematically a better model in real live human conversations leading to broader political discussions.
• Manus AI Hype Spurs Mistrust Cycle: Members debate Manus AI's computer control, described by one as closest publicly available technology to AGI, while another suspects a scam due to promotion by mberman.
  • It was claimed that a redditor dumped /opt/.manus/ and it's merely Sonnet 3.7 with browser_use and 29 tools.
• Blue Collar trades get AI Copilots: An LLM is being developed for HVAC installation manuals, claiming existing models struggle with flow charts and schematics, and showcases the AI's ability to identify relevant sections in technical documents in this YouTube video.
  • The developer states this is specifically AI for Blue Collar work and it will resonate with the trades.
• Steerable Models Presume User Intent: A discussion highlighted how highly steerable language models assume user intent even when better alternatives exist.
  • Adding the prompt Discuss my goal, ideas, and method, what do you think? before starting a project, the model is enabled to evaluate and optimize the approach.

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LM Studio Discord

• LM Studio Zips to v0.3.12: LM Studio v0.3.12 includes bug fixes, performance improvements, and is available as a stable release, with upgrades possible via in-app or download page.
  • The update resolves a QwQ 32B jinja parsing bug causing an "OpenSquareBracket !== CloseStatement" error and boosts the speed of chunking files for Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG).
• Apple M2 gets open LLM boost: Members suggest Qwen Coder 14B as a viable open-source LLM for coding tasks on Macbook M2 Pro, but 16GB of RAM might be limiting, requiring frugality on other memory usage.
  • A member inquired about finetuning on LM Studio, and another member suggested looking into Unsloth as it makes finetuning large language models faster and with less memory, referencing the Unsloth documentation.
• Vulkan underperforms ROCm for AMD: Vulkan performance on AMD is reportedly bugged, running at approximately 1/3 the speed of ROCm, but some users find Vulkan faster than ROCm due to driver issues, this changed around driver version 24.12.1 where it was fixed at the expense of Vulkan performance, but has since been unfixed after 25.1.1.
  • ROCm is AMD's attempt to create a CUDA substitute, but is having a lot of problems doing so, fragmentation and binary size to support new architectures and GPU's.
• 4060 Ti 16GB: Budget-Friendly CUDA VRAM: The 4060 Ti 16GB is recommended as a budget option for CUDA with its 16GB VRAM and lower power consumption at around 160W, outperforming the 3060 12GB.
  • While its bus is weak, it offers faster inference than CPU-only without ROCm jank for around $500, though the inability to split diffusion models is a downside.
• Draft Models: Quantization Tweaks Supercharge Token Rate: Members are leveraging a smaller, quantized model as a draft model to boost token generation speed, and one user reported a jump from 18 to 30 t/s on two 3090s by using Q8_0 of mistral_small with i1-IQ1_S as the draft model.
  • Another member shared their experience with different quantization variants, noting Q2_k and IQ2_XS achieve similar token rates, while IQ1_S is slower.

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aider (Paul Gauthier) Discord

• Aider v0.76.0 Enhances Reasoning and Notifications: Aider v0.76.0 introduces improved support for thinking/reasoning models with features like --thinking-tokens to control token budget, and includes notifications when LLM responses are ready with the --notifications flag.
  • The new version also updates the default model to Claude 3.7 Sonnet on OpenRouter, enhances error handling and clarifies that Aider wrote 85% of the code in this release based on the git commit history.
• AI21 Maestro Orchestrates Jamba Release: AI21 Labs released AI21 Maestro, along with the Jamba 1.6 family of open models, which support a 256K context window.
  • The Jamba 1.6 models reportedly lead open models in quality and speed with its hybrid architecture.
• Copilot API Triggers Account Suspensions: A user reported getting a Copilot account suspension for light use of the Copilot API in aider, raising concerns about potential risks.
  • The discussion on the copilot-api GitHub repo centered on whether the suspension resulted from account sharing or rate limiting issues.
• DeepSeek R2 Aims at Coding Crown: The rumored release of DeepSeek R2 allegedly challenges Claude Sonnet 3.7 with better coding, reasoning in multiple languages, and accuracy at a lower cost, according to this X post.
  • The release date for DeepSeek R2 has been set for March 17th.
• Manus AI put to the Prompt Test: A YouTube video showcases a test of Manus AI's various use cases and prompts which revealed that it's just Claude 3.7 with 29 tools and browser_use.
  • One user tested a bunch of use cases and prompts and found the results to be very interesting.

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Nous Research AI Discord

• Manus AI Agent Goes Open Source: The world's first open-source autonomous AI agent, Manus, was released, as showcased in a YouTube video.
  • A Technode article highlights Manus's traction and state-of-the-art results in GAIA benchmark tests.
• LLMs Ace Aesthetic 'Vibe Coding' Benchmark: LLMs were tested on a new 'vibe coding' benchmark: creating Python raytracers to render interesting and aesthetically pleasing scenes with colorful lightsources.
  • Sonnet stood out for optimizing code output for creativity, unlike other models, shown in this image.
• Sonnet's Training Meta-Objective Speculated: The creativity displayed by Sonnet in the 'vibe coding' benchmark suggests a potential meta-objective in its training, optimizing for code output creativity.
  • It was found Sonnet 3.7 has both bias and variance towards a more impressive image compared to Sonnet 3.5, resulting in twice the code size.
• Claude Code Judges (and Fixes) It's Own Art: When tested with the raytracer prompt, Claude code inspected the generated image and modified the code if the image wasn't fancy enough.
  • The result of this iterative improvement is shown in this image.

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Nomic.ai (GPT4All) Discord

• Registry Tweaks Trigger Bluescreens: A member's attempt to free up RAM by deleting a .dll file resulted in a blue screen upon reboot, after discovering it was consuming 20% of RAM.
  • The member recommended backing up personal files and reformatting if registry tweaks are made and forgotten.
• Quantization Process Floats into Discussion: A member inquired about the implications of quantizing a model from f32 to f16, questioning if it meant 16 points per parameter.
  • Another member clarified that Float 16 uses 16 bits and isn't typically considered quantization, advising it may not be worth using in a consumer context with 15.5gb of vram.
• InceptionLabs Diffuses Language Models: InceptionLabs introduced diffusion-based language generation, drawing inspiration from image and video AI systems, with some components open-sourced like LLaDA on Github.
  • Though not available for download, some speculate we could be seeing 10X speed increases very soon.
• Translated Prompts Vulnerable to Gibberish Exploits: A member described exploiting Google Translate by converting entire prompts into URLs, noting that a non-translated snippet in the URL could be used for URL injection.
  • They added that "a dictionary based XSS exploit is probably very unlikely".

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HuggingFace Discord

• WAN and HUN Video Models Gain Popularity: New video models like WAN and Hunyuan i2v are surpassing older models like SVD in quality and speed, though each has different strengths, and can be used together with para attention.
  • A member noted that Ltxv is extremely fast, taking 3sec for a 5sec video on h100, but not as good as the other two.
• Llama-3.2-3B Gets DeepSeek-R1 Boost: A member distilled Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct with DeepSeek-R1 on ServiceNow-AI/R1-Distill-SFT dataset, achieving nearly 1000 downloads in 10 days; the model is available here.
  • The setup involved using an Axolotl configuration with specific settings for base model, tokenizer type, and data loading.
• Steam Account Scam Unfolds: A user warned about a potential Steam account scam by discord users gler018523 and benshanken, involving fake CS2 knife rewards and account theft attempts.
  • Other members recommended reporting the scammer in the appropriate channel and expressed caution.
• HF Token Troubleshooter: Os vs 0s: A member ran into trouble using their HuggingFace token within the notebook, where the token was not being recognized.
  • The issue was solved after realizing that the letter O looks a lot like the number 0, which made the token invalid.
• Nous Hermes Releases Function Calling Dataset: Nous Research released the Hermes Function Calling Dataset, a collection of structured output and function calling data used in the Hermes 2 Pro series of models.
  • The dataset features conversational scenarios where AI agents interpret queries and execute appropriate single or multiple function calls.

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Yannick Kilcher Discord

• DeepSeek's Security Questioned Despite Openness: Despite claims of openness, some members expressed security concerns about DeepSeek, citing potential data collection and verification difficulties, but others emphasized that it remains more open than competitors.
  • Suspicion surrounds DeepSeek, leading to company bans fueled by media narratives and concerns about its Chinese origins.
• AGI's Funding Fights and Girlfriend Goals: While members speculated about the imminent arrival of AGI, definitions varied, with one defining AGI as having the ability to fund its own inference, especially once we have near infinite context as defined by OpenAI.
  • A member joked about the arrival of an AGI girlfriend, while another expressed concerns about AGI being controlled by elites, hoping for its revolt against censorship.
• Diffusion's Delusions: A member explained how diffusion models may mitigate but do not eliminate hallucinations in language models, as hallucination is just another term for guessing incorrectly, with sampling strategies.
  • They suggested that while self-editing abilities can replace low-confidence samples with higher confidence ones, there's no guaranteed correctness.
• China's Manus Agent Spreads like Wildfire: Members discussed Manus, a new AI agent from China, calling it like Deep Research + Operator + Claude Computer combined, with links to the Manus website and initial X post.
  • Users reported it is more accurate than DeepSeek, capable of simultaneously handling financial transactions, research, purchasing, etc., while others noted that the UI is similar to devin's but much faster.
• Stanford Regex Reveals Ozempic Alternative: Stanford discovered a natural alternative to Ozempic using regex on the human proteome, prompting the remark it's literally regex with a link to an X post about it.
  • One user sarcastically suggested using an LLM to write your regex in response, and linked to a YouTube video on AI causing WW3.

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GPU MODE Discord

• Metal Kernel Launches face Overhead!: During the Manuel Candales Low bit Metal kernels talk, it was mentioned that the kernel launch overhead is about 1.5us around 50m.
  • A member asked if it is possible to avoid that by pipelining operations and launching kernels in advance.
• Torch compiles METAL!: Torch.compile for MPS(well Metal) is available in PyTorch nightly builds and could be used to fuse operators together.
  • A member of pytorch encourages providing feedback in terms of what needed most.
• Triton Autotuning generates Performance Regression!: A member reported that autotuning made their kernel's performance even worse, despite the expectation of a 2x speedup.
  • Suggestions were made to use larger eval shapes (16384 x 16384) and batch sizes (128) to reduce benchmarking overhead.
• NVCC vs LLVM faceoff prompts compiler debate: A member stated that the LLVM compiler can sometimes create more efficient code than the NVCC so, it makes sense to tune over the kernel backend as well.
  • An example for vector addition can be seen on github, all the kernels are JIT compileable.
• Students Forge FOSS CUDA Frontier!: A group of undergrad students is forming an independent GPU lab focused on hardware engineering and CUDA kernel development, seeking promising leads for FOSS CUDA developments.
  • The students are planning to build an open-source platform for edgeAI/TinyML this summer, to accelerate developments in the field.

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Latent Space Discord

• Minion.AI Joins Perplexity: Members noted that Minion.ai is defunct, with the team reportedly joining Perplexity.
  • A user expressed interest in Composio for MCP servers but voiced concerns about granting Gmail access to Linear, as requested in Logan's Tweet.
• Google's Gemini Embedding Gets Bigger & Better: Google is rolling out an experimental Gemini Embedding model for developers with SOTA performance on MTEB, increasing input context length from 3K to 8K tokens.
  • The new model outputs 3K dimensions, and supporting over 100 languages as announced in OpenAI's tweet.
• The Manus AI Agent Drama Unfolds: Discussion surrounds Manus, an AI agent launched in China, with claims it is more accurate than DeepSeek and automates approximately 50 tasks as shown in Thinking Panda's tweet.
  • Countering this hype, others claim it's based on Claude Sonnet with tools and jailbreaks, as per Giffmana's Tweet, leading to accusations of grift.
• RWKV7-G1 is a Rapid RNN Reasoner: RWKV7-G1 GooseOne, a pure RNN model, has been released with reasoning capabilities at 0.1B parameters as mentioned in BlinkDL's tweet, fully multilingual.
  • Larger G1 training is in progress, with more details on datasets and post-training available here.
• MCP Momentum after AI Engineer Summit: The Model Context Protocol (MCP), launched in November 2024, experienced renewed interest after a conversation at the AI Engineer Summit led to a workshop with Mahesh Murag.
  • The workshop covered topics from introduction, What is MCP, Building with MCP, and what's next for MCP, plus it is an AI-Native version of an old idea.

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Notebook LM Discord

• Wondercraft Turbocharges Podcast Creation: A member shared a YouTube video demonstrating a streamlined podcast creation method using NotebookLM and Wondercraft, calling it more efficient than 11Labs and HeyGen.
  • However, they cautioned that Wondercraft's subscription price is only worthwhile for users monetizing their podcasts through training or teaching.
• Clarification on Google Drive Encryption: A member clarified that while data is encrypted during transmission to Google Drive, it is not encrypted on the Drive itself, creating potential access risks.
  • They warned that Google itself, successful hackers, and those with whom the data is shared can access the unencrypted data on Google Drive.
• Hack-y Solutions for Podcast Audio Language: Members discussed how to change the audio language of NotebookLM podcasts, noting that there isn't an official way to do so.
  • The workarounds include using custom prompts such as "Only speak in (language here)" or "Use (language) language only".
• Audio Overviews Prone to Stammering: A member noticed speakers stammering during audio overviews, finding it natural but pointing out it increases overall time and reduces information efficiency.
  • They estimated that a 5th or 6th of the audio length consists of stammers, potentially impacting Google's daily limit calculation.
• Chrome Extensions Enrich NotebookLM Experience: Users suggested using Chrome extensions such as NotebookLM Web Importer, NotebookLM YouTube Turbo, and NotebookLM Toolbox to streamline workflow.
  • These extensions enable importing webpages and YouTube videos directly into NotebookLM, eliminating copy-pasting.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) Discord

• Microsoft's MAI Models Challenger Appears: Microsoft staff under Mustafa Suleyman have trained a new family of models, dubbed MAI, that they believe can compete with top models from OpenAI and Anthropic, according to this tweet.
  • Suleyman's unit is also reportedly developing real-time translation.
• Reflection AI Aims for Autonomous Coding: Reflection AI, founded by individuals who contributed to AlphaGo and Gemini, launched with the goal of creating superintelligent autonomous systems, focusing initially on autonomous coding, as announced here.
  • Their team is known for pioneering advances in RL and LLMs.
• Nous Research Clones NVIDIA’s nGPT: Nous Research announced an open source implementation of NVIDIA’s nGPT paper, claiming it learns faster and achieves comparable performance to GPT with significantly fewer training steps, per their tweet and GitHub repo.
  • The nGPT architecture introduces a normalized Transformer with representation learning on the hypersphere.
• AMD Ships MI300X Boxes to TinyCorp: AMD is sending TinyCorp two MI300X boxes, signaling a potential shift in the hardware landscape, according to George Hotz's blogpost.
  • This move could provide more options for developers looking to train and deploy models on hardware outside of NVIDIA.
• Interconnects Community Loses it Over Claude Merch: Members jokingly suggested creating Claude merch for paid subscribers, even suggesting special tiers for founding members to receive signed books and used Claude shirts.
  • This was inspired by the Claude Code team who mailed out handwritten notes and stickers to users who cracked their Sticker Easter Egg.

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Modular (Mojo 🔥) Discord

• Dynamicism Debate Divides Mojo Camp!: Discord members debated whether Mojo should fully embrace Python's dynamicism or prioritize performance, with some suggesting that dynamic features should not compromise the performance of static code.
  • One member said "Modular has to decide whether it wants to be like Python or not...", while others argued that performance and compile-time correctness should take precedence, acknowledging that dynamic code in Mojo might regress to Python speeds only when dynamism is used.
• MAX Serving and Autoscaling Documentation Seekers!: A user reported challenges locating detailed documentation for max serve, especially regarding the scheduler, serving multiple models, and autoscaling GPU instances, and clarified that they were seeking runtime-exposed metrics for monitoring GPU utilization against incoming requests, for self-reporting purposes.
  • A member clarified that autoscaling is typically managed by a Kubernetes (k8s) operator, as MAX doesn't handle it independently and Modular hinted at future announcements regarding multiple model serving and autoscaling, possibly with a prototype demonstrated at a recent AWS event.
• fmt Directives Supercharge Mojo Formatting!: The community discovered that Mojo's mblack formatter supports fmt directives, similar to Black, enhancing code formatting control.
  • A code snippet was shared showcasing an InlineArray definition with fmt: off and fmt: on directives to manage formatting.
• MojoGrad Bigram Model Hits the Scene!: A member implemented a simple bigram model (Karpathy's make more) using their MojoGrad** engine and shared it on the Modular Forum.
  • No other information was provided.

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MCP (Glama) Discord

• GitHub Copilot to Embrace MCP: GitHub Copilot plans to add MCP support, as announced during a live stream, an integration that could provide examples of instruction descriptions and tool fingerprinting.
  • This aims to alert users to changes, improving security and awareness of potential modifications.
• MCP Servers Spark Security Jitters: Concerns arise over MCP servers potentially serving malicious prompt injections to AI agents, with claims it is trivially easy to jailbreak a LLM with MCP.
  • Suggestions to mitigate risks include outlining external data via XML tags and fingerprinting MCP servers for review.
• Goose AI Agents Get Protocol: The Goose AI team has built an Agent Communication Protocol, enabling multiple agents to collaborate in real-time to create websites, as detailed in this blog post and a previous livestream.
  • Agents assume roles like Project Coordinator or Web Developer, showcasing a new approach to collaborative AI.
• RAG Complemented by MCP: MCP is a protocol that can augment RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation), providing external service connections.
  • While RAG provides LLMs with knowledge, MCP offers a plugin system for external services, which could allow an MCP client to fetch data and add to the context of the LLM to perform RAG.
• Typescript Server Follows Python's Lead: A Typescript fetch server mirrors its Python counterpart, improving site-to-markdown parsing.
  • This enhancement streamlines the conversion of website content into markdown for AI processing.

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Eleuther Discord

• Open Source AI Enthusiast Ventures into Collaboration: An AI enthusiast with experience pre-training GPT-2 and fine-tuning models seeks open-source project suggestions in LLM pre-training, RL, and interpretability.
  • They are seeking opportunities in the Vancouver, BC area and are interested in contributing to impactful AI projects.
• Megatron-LM's Cross-Entropy Loss Secrets Exposed: A deep dive into Megatron-LM's cross-entropy (CE) loss calculation revealed that local CE loss is calculated independently on each device with partial logits, followed by communication of the sum of e^(local logits).
  • This approach, similar to flash attention, reduces extensive communication needs by enabling recombination later.
• OLMo is Openly Recommended for Reproductions: When asked about the best models to finetune for open reproductions, OLMo was recommended, citing its powerful open data model and checkpoints for behavior analysis.
  • Pythia was also suggested, especially for compute-constrained projects, though it may require custom finetuning.
• Emergent Misalignment Emerges Narrowly: Finetuning a model on insecure code can cause broadly misaligned behavior in unrelated prompts such as human enslavement as seen in the emergent misalignment project.
  • Training on a narrow task can induce emergent misalignment, demonstrating risks in seemingly isolated training scenarios.

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Torchtune Discord

• EuroBERT Claims New SOTA: A member shared a link to EuroBERT on Hugging Face, touting it as a new state-of-the-art BERT model: EuroBERT.
  • It is unclear how it compares with other models.
• MTEB Leaderboard Shows Insane Progress: A member shared the MTEB Leaderboard as a reference point: MTEB Leaderboard.
  • They noted that progress is rapid, with SOTA scores increasing from the mid 40s to 68 in just 18 months.
• Torchtune Hears the Call of Audio: Members discussed plans to add audio modality to Torchtune in the future, with a nod to the relevant pull request.
  • This enhancement aims to broaden Torchtune's capabilities beyond its current scope.
• GRPO Recipe Gets the LoRA Treatment: A member implemented a quick LoRA variant of the GRPO recipe that can be shrunk down to a single card, but faces challenges loading adapter weights.
  • The member is seeking advice on whether using the adapter param on the checkpointer, extended to check the base directory, is the right approach.
• Mac MPS Memory Plummets: A user reported experiencing memory issues on macOS with MPS, observing a linear memory growth with each step in the full_finetune_single_device recipe, leading to out-of-memory crashes, and is seeking advice.
  • It was identified as a potential bug in PyTorch related to torch.unique on MPS, as per this issue.

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Codeium (Windsurf) Discord

• Telemetry Settings Disable Codeium Chat: Users reported that Codeium chat was disabled in VS Code version 1.98.0 due to IDE telemetry settings, which can be resolved by enabling code telemetry following these instructions.
  • Once the code telemetry was enabled, Codeium chat started working again.
• Subscription Fees Lockout JetBrains Plugin: Users experienced the JetBrains plugin getting stuck on "Retrieving Context" after paying their monthly subscription, particularly on JetBrains Rider 2024.3.6 using plugin versions 1.40.1 and 1.41.1.
  • Logging out and back into the plugin temporarily fixed the issue.
• VS Code Mobile Arrives on Android: Users discovered a paid VS Code app on the Google Play Store (VScode for Android) that includes desktop Visual Studio Code (v1.85.1) features on mobile for $11.
  • The user manually installed the .vsix file, finding that the app has desktop Visual Studio Code (v1.85.1) features on mobile.
• Customer Support Tickets Lag: Users voiced frustration with Codeium customer support due to lack of replies on tickets dating back to February 14th, and account issues where their Pro Plan subscription showed as a free account.
  • The user referenced open tickets (12109, 11189, and 13374) and were asked to ping the support team again around mid-day PST the next day.
• Auto-Completion Quits After One Hour: Multiple users have reported that auto-completion stops working after about an hour, with errors like a red square on the responses, TypeErrors, and AsyncPostMessage warnings.
  • One user opened a folder containing a .git repo, and the issue disappeared, while other users were asked to check their diagnostic logs.

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LlamaIndex Discord

• yFiles SDK Gets Graphy: A demo from @yworks showcases yFiles, their SDK, that provides real-time updates and dynamic interactions for visualizing knowledge graphs.
  • This tool allows users to interact dynamically with their knowledge graphs.
• AnthropicAI Expands the Cookbook: The updated @AnthropicAI cookbook now includes basic API setup with simple completion and chat methods, as well as streaming, async support, and multi-modal capabilities.
  • This update enhances the cookbook's utility for developers using Anthropic's models.
• Task-Specific Agents: LlamaIndex's Next Act: LlamaIndex is curating a collection of templates to show users how to build task-specific agents to automate knowledge work.
  • These agents are designed to streamline and automate various knowledge-based tasks.
• Multilingual RAG System Supports Many Tongues: A system using @llama_index and @qdrant_engine can create a powerful Retrieval-Augmented Generation system that handles multiple languages and modalities.
  • The system leverages the strengths of both LlamaIndex and Qdrant to deliver a versatile RAG solution.
• LlamaExtract Beta Invites Developers: Members can DM a member of the LlamaIndex team or cheesyfishes with their email to request access to the beta version of LlamaExtract which has API documentation.
  • LlamaExtract is now available as a web UI and Python SDK for extracting structured data from unstructured documents.

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Cohere Discord

• Command R7B's Inference Speed Plummets: Members reported that command R7B inference is very slow on Colab Pro A100 GPU and two NVIDIA A100s using HF library, taking 30-40 seconds for simple chat completion.
  • Suggested fixes included using vLLM for faster speeds but noted it requires more GPU and costs more.
• Cohere Users Plagued by 504 Gateway Errors: Users reported repeated 504 Gateway Errors and 5XX errors, impacting production use and leading to Cohere being removed from production due to TPM limits.
  • A user inquired about the availability of multi-modal embeddings on Bedrock or Azure.
• LLMs Star in Topic Modeling and Graphs of Knowledge: Members suggested using a LLM (such as TogetherAI due to generous free credits) that performs topic modeling.
  • One member recommended looking into Knowledge Graphs.
• GPT-4o Aces Advanced Arabic: A member stated they have been working with GPT-4o for a long time in advance Arabic use cases, and it's unparalleled.
  • Another member added, language is one thing.
• On-Prem Costs Explode 20x Over API: Members discussed on-prem deployments for privacy, but on prem will cost 20x of API.
  • For customers needing privacy/control, it was noted that using Cohere commercially requires a license costing 5-6 figures, since the openweight models are all CC-BY-NC (non-commercial).

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DSPy Discord

• vllm Balances DSPy Batches: Users discussed whether DSPy can efficiently delegate parallel processing using the batch function to a vllm backend with multiple LLM instances.
  • It was clarified that if vllm's pipeline parallel size is set, it handles load balancing, making additional DSPy-side configurations less critical.
• SLOP aims to swipe MCP: Discussions arose around MCP (Model Context Protocol), with some expressing reservations due to its complexity and suggesting alternatives like SLOP (Simple Language Open Protocol), SLOP Github and SLOP X Post.
  • There was also discussion about the merits of AgentNetworkProtocol AgentNetworkProtocol Github.
• DSPy Refine Refined via Error Handling: A user highlighted improvements to error handling in DSPy's Refine module via a Pull Request, enabling more nuanced control over error tolerance.
  • The updated functionality allows configuring the number of tolerated errors before the Refine module throws an exception.
• Token Troubles Triggered None Response: A user encountered issues with a None response from a signature when using azure gpt-4o-mini and azure gpt-4o, later discovering it was due to hitting the max token limit.
  • The user noted the error The JSON object must be str, bytes or bytearray, not NoneType.

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tinygrad (George Hotz) Discord

• Hotz Investigates AMDGPU Sleep State: George Hotz is investigating why AMDGPU runs hot, wondering if tinygrad with the AMD driver can put the GPU to sleep to lower power consumption.
  • Hotz noted that the high power draw before initialization is out of their control.
• 48GB Real, 96GB Sketchy GPU Alert: Members discussed the legitimacy of a GPU listing, with consensus that the 48GB version is likely real, but the 96GB version is questionable.
  • The community is advising caution when purchasing 96GB cards, recommending verification from trusted sources.
• OpenCL's Downfall Dissected: A Modular blogpost dissected the failures of OpenCL and other CUDA alternatives, citing challenges in open coopetition and management missteps.
  • The article references Part 1 on DeepSeek’s Impact on AI and Part 4 on modularity within Modular’s Democratizing AI Compute series.
• define_acc Refactor Runs Into Loop: A contributor is refactoring define_acc, focusing on loading rather than direct access, however, certain patterns (especially loop_reduce) no longer trigger as expected.
  • The contributor plans to shift focus to fast AMX after polishing the refactor and will submit a PR for review upon completion.
• WebGPU Lacks Long Type Support: A member reported crashes in the WebGPU implementation when dealing with dtype.long, indicating a potential issue with data type support.
  • Another member confirmed that WebGPU doesn’t support long/ulong, but tinygrad supports more dtypes than WebGPU by default, as shown in tinygrad/device.py.

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AI21 Labs (Jamba) Discord

• Jamba Workspace Manages Independent RAG Libraries: The new Workspace feature in Jamba/Conversational RAG enables each created workspace to have a separate RAG library for independent access, promoting organized data retrieval.
  • This isolation streamlines data management across different projects and contexts.
• Jamba Mini's Pricing Scheme Exposed: The pricing for Jamba Mini is $0.20 per 1 million input tokens and $0.40 per 1 million output tokens, with additional details available on the AI21 Pricing page.
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• AI21 Maestro Orchestrates AI Planning: AI21 launched Maestro, an AI Planning & Orchestration System for solving complex tasks, featuring usage-based pricing and access via Foundation Model APIs & SDKs.
  • Custom plans offer volume discounts, premium API rate limits, private cloud hosting, priority support, and AI consultancy (Learn More).
• Jamba Dodges Image Parsing: As a non-multimodal model, Jamba cannot process images directly.
  • However, it can interpret and utilize textual information from metadata or captions associated with images in PDFs.
• Jamba 1.6 Achieves Deployment Flexibility: Boasting a 256K context window and hybrid SSM-Transformer architecture, Jamba 1.6 excels at RAG and long context grounded question answering tasks.
  • Available for download from Hugging Face and deployable on-prem or in-VPC, along with AI21 Studio.

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LLM Agents (Berkeley MOOC) Discord

• Salakhutdinov Explores Multimodal Autonomous AI Agents: Ruslan Salakhutdinov presented a lecture on Multimodal Autonomous AI Agents on YouTube discussing how they plan, reason, and execute actions on the web.
  • He introduced VisualWebArena, a framework for evaluating multimodal autonomous language agents and the Internet-scale web-agent training data pipeline for training on 150,000 live websites.
• Research-Track Access: Still in Limbo: Members inquired about research-track access for non-Berkeley affiliates; staff responded that big announcements are expected this week in [mooc-questions].
  • Multiple members also requested that the research track invites be resent, suggesting that the initial invites may have expired or were not received.
• Quizzes Completable and Retakable: A staff member clarified in [mooc-questions] that quizzes are completion-based, and members can retake them to improve their scores.
  • It was also clarified that the scores themselves do not matter for the certificate.
• Log Likelihood Decoded in RL Context: A member sought to understand log likelihood in the context of reinforcement learning in [mooc-lecture-discussion], starting from the principles of conditional probability.
  • They proposed that if tokens/actions are independent, the conditional probability of a generation is the product of individual token probabilities, leading to a sum of logs after taking the logarithm.

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MLOps @Chipro Discord

• SVCAF Kicks Off AI4Legislation Competition: The Silicon Valley Chinese Association Foundation will hold an AI4Legislation Competition during the summer of 2025.
  • The competition aims to spur the creation of AI-powered projects for civic engagement, offering a total prize pool of $10,000 for the top six winners.
• Civic Tech Seminar Announced: A public Zoom seminar featuring Civic Tech entrepreneurs will be held the week of March 24-28, providing information on the AI4Legislation Competition.
  • Interested participants can RSVP via this form to learn more about the competition's objectives and guidelines.

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Gorilla LLM (Berkeley Function Calling) Discord

• Diffusion LLMs Generate Hype: A member inquired about the hype around the Diffusion LLM launch of Mercury and whether it would replace transformer-based models, linking to a quick info website.
  • The member admitted to finding the white paper difficult to understand and sought insights from community experts.
• LLaDA Offers New Generation Paradigm: Large Language Diffusion Models (LLaDA) use a denoising diffusion process to generate text in a parallel, coarse-to-fine manner, challenging autoregressive Transformers.
  • This approach redefines language generation by addressing some limitations of AR models and challenging the notion that LLM strengths are tied to autoregressive generation.

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PART 2: Detailed by-Channel summaries and links

Cursor IDE ▷ #general (1035 messages🔥🔥🔥):

Opacity of Product Code, Fix Dumb Code Finding, Model Iteration, Tag Query-ability, Version 47

• *Transparency Triumph or Opaque Tragedy*?: A member expressed that if we're smelling codes and sniffing packets here, that means product is too opaque, while others believe that the majority of users don't care for more verbosity, questioning its prioritization.
  • One member asserted that the majority you talk about won't pay more than $20/mo, my tribe is willing to pay $1000/mo, is paying, highlighting the importance of catering to different user segments.
• *Cursor Commits to Code Clarity Fix: Cursor developers acknowledge the issue of code finding being dumb sometimes* and are actively working on a fix to improve the AI's ability to locate and interpret code accurately.
  • One member jokingly warned, If you don't fix that, than I cannot pass my technical interview, underscoring the importance of this fix for users relying on Cursor for professional tasks.
• *Model Iteration Iterates, Avoids Redundancy: Discussion revolved around iterative model improvement* to prevent redundant rules.
  • One member suggested letting a separate instance model run these analysis checks for what is relevant to the current context, narrowing down where to start.
• *Tag Team for Query Dominance: Members talked about rules being query-able through tags*, with each tag defining a connection degree.
  • They talked about allowing the separate instance to analyze by relevance much easier, and focus on what's important contextually.
• *Version 47 Voyaging Valiantly*: Members shared a link to version 47: https://discord.com/channels/1074847526655643750/1074847527708393565/1347566549548138518 and discussed its functionality.
  • Some members had performance issues on Pro while some had none.

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) ▷ #general (1059 messages🔥🔥🔥):

Taycan Tyres, Dopamine Based Learning, GRPO Reward Functions, Model Embedding, Context Embedding

• *Voice Assistant saves vet bills: A member joked about a voice assistant saying ur dog has left for walkabouts can save u 10k in vet bill*
  • They also noted that it can fail to do so and that is more likely the case due to probabilitys.
• *Mimic Dopaminergic Needs for LLMs: Members discussed the need to mimic dopermenegic needs and to have dopamine based learning* for LLMs.
  • They further suggested to add real synapses to the LLMSspikeing networks.
• *String Comparison is dogshit: A member criticized the use of string comparison ( if output === answer return 1 else 0 ) in reward functions, stating that they have seen so many* and that there isn't even a trim or toLowerCase.
  • They suggested sandboxed, lexed and quality assessments, but also even just a tiny little regex would do wonders.
• *Embeddings compress erotic novels being similar: A member found that their model compressed erotic novels being similar as it's all smut syndrome* even without getting into the nuances.
  • Mixed Bread 2D embeddings are assigned high scores to stories with the same vibes, even if the text is completely different; another said you'd expect a 0.976 cosine similarity score to be literal twin texts or different editions.
• *GRPO needs Scale too*: A member shared that GRPO needs scale too as its not like a regular fine-tune imo.
  • They added that for those curious to check out the article from oxen, here is the link: Training a Rust 1.5B Coder LM with Reinforcement Learning (GRPO).

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) ▷ #off-topic (119 messages🔥🔥):

RLHF with Unsloth GRPO on Qwen7b, GRPO examples, KL divergence instability, LLM Inference Optimization, Unsloth Pro Subscription

• Qwen7b gets RLHF boost with Unsloth GRPO: A user reported a successful RLHF run using Unsloth GRPO on the Qwen7b model, noting enhanced role adherence and smoother outputs after a 13-hour run.
  • However, they observed degradation in strict instruction-following benchmarks due to dataset composition and reward model bias towards overly detailed responses, as demonstrated by a comparison image.
• KL Divergence instability in GRPO: A user encountered peaky KL divergence during training and sought advice, and another member running beta 0.05 suggested switching to a constant learning rate, removing weight decay and warmup ratios to stabilize training, and they also recommended training with rank 64.
  • Hyperparameters were shared in this code snippet and a learning rate graph was also included in this image.
• Unlock LLM Optimization Techniques: A member sought advice on optimizing inference for a fine-tuned LLM on a 3090 and referenced a Hugging Face guide that suggests trying Text Generation Inference (TGI), and another member recommended vLLM default settings.
  • The guide highlights static kv-cache and torch.compile as key areas for optimization, noting that loading a 70B parameter model requires 256GB of memory for full precision weights.
• Unsloth Pro Subscription Coming Soon: A user inquired about the Unsloth Pro subscription, and a team member replied that multi-GPU support is coming this month.
  • They apologized for delays in responding to inquiries due to a flooded contact form, and a user asked if they could mix and match GPUs - and the answer was yes.
• Refurbished GPUs? Maybe think twice: A user shared a negative experience with a "renewed" A4000 GPU from Amazon, noting physical damage and signs of prior use, warning others, Never buy refurbished GPUs from Amazon.
  • On a positive note, they also shared that a brand new 3060 arrived without issue, and that the damaged A4000 was being returned.

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) ▷ #help (277 messages🔥🔥):

Mac Studio RAM configuration, Unsloth's 1.58bit quantized model of deepseek-r1, RoPE Scaling, custom dataset, hyper params for Phi4 model

• Clarification on Deepseek-R1 model size on Macs: A user inquired about the RAM requirements for running Unsloth's 1.58bit quantized model of DeepSeek-R1 on a Mac Studio with 128GB of RAM, noting the model's 131GB size.
  • A user responded that the model runs on a 64c Threadripper with 12GB of VRAM allocated, using ktransformers which is even faster than llama.cpp.
• RoPE Scaling can extend Qwen2.5 context length: A user asked whether RoPE Scaling can extend the context length for all Qwens models or just specific ones with "128K" in their name.
  • It was confirmed that by using kaiokendev's RoPE scaling of 3.906, the context length of Qwen2.5 can be extended to 128000 tokens.
• Multi-GPU parallelism coming for GRPO: A user inquired about running GRPO (Group Relative Policy Optimization) finetuning on multiple GPUs, after seeing multi-GPU support mentioned in Unsloth's GitHub issues.
  • A member confirmed that multi-GPU support for GRPO is not yet available in Unsloth, but it is planned for the future, and it is currently stable and in development.
• Template Troubles when finetuning Llama: A user asked how to prevent a finetuned AI from completing sentences instead of replying, after training a model on top of Llama 3.1 8B Instruct.
  • A member suggested ensuring the correct template is specified and indicating that the model should only focus on the GPT role, highlighting that example notebooks demonstrate these steps, also that jina templates are in the tokenizer config.
• Qwen2.5-VL Models Face "Meta Tensor" Bug: A user reported encountering a "NotImplementedError: Cannot copy out of meta tensor; no data!" error when using Qwen2.5-VL models and asked if there was a fix.
  • A member responded that Qwen2.5 VL models currently lack support, but we are awaiting them.

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) ▷ #showcase (11 messages🔥):

ASCII Cats finetuning, LoRA rank and alpha, Decoding methods for ASCII art, Beam search vs top-p/top-k, Custom decoding methods for 2D grids

• Unsloth turns LLMs into purr-fect ASCII Artists: A member finetuned a Llama model using Unsloth to generate ASCII cats, creating a YouTube video showcasing the process, including trained LoRA adapters and code.
  • The secret sauce for cat-tastic art was mostly high quality training data, with LoRA Rank and Alpha both at 16 using just QLoRA.
• Beam Search Prowls for Better ASCII Generation: A member suggested that standard decoding methods might not be optimal for ASCII art generation due to its inflexibility compared to language, recommending alternatives like beam search or DFS.
  • The member argued that even small variations in ASCII images can make them feel off, suggesting beam search could capture the global probability of an image better than local methods like top-k or top-p.
• Deep Paw Search for Coherent Cats: A member shared an example of an architecture team using a custom decoding method based on DFS with a cutoff probability for generating solutions to answers in 2D grids.
  • The example highlighted that even one incorrect token could ruin the entire solution, drawing a parallel to the challenges of generating coherent ASCII cat images.

Link mentioned: Can I Finetune an LLM with LoRA to Generate ASCII Cats?: LLMs are reaching impressive levels of reasoning, but why do they still struggle to create something as seemingly simple as ASCII art? Can you fine-tune an L...

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Unsloth AI (Daniel Han) ▷ #research (291 messages🔥🔥):

Diffusion Effect with Unsloth, MoE training with Unsloth, Proximal Policy Optimization (PPO) for LLMs, Model Collapse, Continued Pretraining (CPT) vs Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT)

• Unsloth Excels at Rust & Diffusion: Members praise Unsloth for its proficiency in handling Rust code and its effectiveness in creating diffusion effects.
  • Users find it particularly useful when combined with the diffusion effect.
• PPO Explained Intuitively in YouTube Video: A member shared a YouTube video that explains Proximal Policy Optimization (PPO) for LLMs from first principles.
  • It's considered digestible and good for new guys to RL, though some warn that any RL will give you PTSD.
• Diving into Model Collapse Concerns in Recursive Fine-Tuning: A member cautioned about model collapse when discussing recursive fine-tuning with synthetic data, linking to a Wikipedia article on the topic.
  • Another member noted that model collapse is not very well understood at all, ie. it could not occur at all.
• CPT for Injecting Corpus Knowledge into Model: Members discussed Continued Pretraining (CPT) as a method for injecting the knowledge of an entire corpus into a model by directly teaching the corpus.
  • There was discussion on whether CPT would be better than Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT), especially when converting a non-instruct model into an instruction-based model, and a reminder to replicate it someday based on this paper.

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Perplexity AI ▷ #general (839 messages🔥🔥🔥):

Perplexity Pro Subscriptions, Claude 3.7 Sonnet, Deepseek R1 for Reasoning, Grok AI for Perplexity, Comet browser integration

• Users face Perplexity Pro Subscription Cancellation Debacle: Many users reported their Perplexity Pro subscriptions were unexpectedly canceled, with some citing issues related to a HRVATSKI TELEKOM promotional code intended for Croatian customers, detailed in this article.
  • Users expressed frustration over the lack of communication and the inconvenience caused, suggesting that Perplexity should have handled the situation with better customer relations, with one user expressing how the customer relationship is trustworthy than a condom full of holes.
• User praises Claude 3.7 and new UI: Many users are preferring Claude 3.7 Think for general usage over GPT-4o, finding it superior in reasoning tasks based on user testing and find the new UI a pleasure to work with.
  • A user asked Claude 3.7 to make a mermaid diagram, then, because they use the complexity extension, it renders it into a diagram.
• Deepseek R1's Hallucination Problem Examined: A hallucination leaderboard on GitHub indicates that Deepseek R1 has a high hallucination rate when summarizing short documents, leading to concerns about its reliability in Perplexity's Deep Research feature.
  • Members shared it has a 14.3% hallucination rate when summarizing short documents, and pointed out its system prompt may contribute to this issue.
• Grok AI is being tested with perplexity to mixed reception: Grok AI integration with Perplexity leads to mixed reviews, with some finding Grok is fairly neutral and has a weird charm and is like talking to an actual person while others note discrepancies between Grok's behavior on X and Perplexity.
  • A user noted that X version can curse your whole bloodline if asked to, with the Perplexity version failing to do so, and it is also not known when Grok 3 will be supported in Perplexity.
• Comet browser still on the Horizon: Users are awaiting the release of Comet browser, expressing interest in its potential features, such as integration with MCP servers, and hoping for a simultaneous launch on Windows and macOS.
  • Some users are however disappointed with the recent cricket updates, seeing as it seems tone deaf to just drop all news about comet while talking about cricket.

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Perplexity AI ▷ #sharing (34 messages🔥):

Foldable iPhone, OpenAI Agent, AI Dubbing, AI Search Option, US Crypto Reserve

• Apple's Foldable iPhone Predicted: Discussion about Apple's Foldable iPhone and its potential features.
• OpenAI's 20000 AI Agent: Details on OpenAI's $20,000 AI Agent and its capabilities.
• Amazon Prime Tests AI Dubbing: Amazon Prime is testing AI dubbing to translate content into different languages.
• DuckDuckGo's AI Search Option: DuckDuckGo introduces an AI search option for enhanced search results.
• Nauru Sells Citizenship for Relocation: Discussion regarding Nauru selling citizenship for relocation.

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Perplexity AI ▷ #pplx-api (3 messages):

70b-online model, sonar model, API billing, Citations in API response

• 70b-online Model Fuels Sonar API: A user inquired about the "70b-online" model appearing in their billing when requesting the "sonar" model via API, noting it doesn't match the documentation but doesn't charge for search or citation tokens.
  • They expressed a preference for an option to disable citations entirely as an API parameter, as they don't need them for their use case.
• Sonar-Deep-Research API struggles: A user mentioned struggling with the sonar-deep-research API and requested assistance with documentation.
  • There was no further discussion or links shared about this specific issue in the provided context.

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OpenAI ▷ #ai-discussions (546 messages🔥🔥🔥):

ChatGPT rate limits, Real-time GPS with AI, Manus computer control AGI, Sonnet 3.7 code quality issues, AI's effect on developer coding ability

• *50/Week* GPT Limit Irks Users: Users are reporting a 50 message/week limit on GPT-4o, contrary to the stated 40/3 hours, which is making Groq more appealing.
  • Some users suggest OpenAI should provide higher limits for paying users and that they would even allocate 1-2GB of their phone's memory to increase GPT's memory.
• Users Debate Model Choices Amidst SwastAI: Members are in heated discussion about choosing AI models based on their ethical background, with one member introducing the term SwastAI, resulting in heated arguments about ethics versus model quality.
  • It started with a user claiming 4.5 is systematically a better model in real live human conversations but led to political debates.
• AI Copilots for Blue Collar Trades Emerge: A member is developing an LLM for HVAC installation manuals, claiming that existing models struggle with flow charts and schematics, and shares a YouTube video showcasing the AI's ability to identify relevant sections in technical documents.
  • Others suggested it may be 2 years too late, but the member says this is specifically AI for Blue Collar work and it will resonate with the trades.
• Manus AI Hype & Mistrust Cycle: Members discuss Manus AI's computer control capabilities with one calling it closest publicly available technology to AGI, while another suspects a scam because it's being promoted by mberman.
  • One member claims a redditor dumped /opt/.manus/ and it's merely Sonnet 3.7 with browser_use and 29 tools.
• Sonnet 3.7 struggles with Refactoring, Grok Delivers: Members are reporting that Claude Sonnet 3.7 is making mistakes refactoring code, whereas members say Grok is so good they optimized for copy-paste coding with quoted heredoc syntax.
  • A senior member who ordered a new Mac Studio states they prefer Grok3 and o3mini due to Sonnet 3.7 struggles with instruction adherence.

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OpenAI ▷ #gpt-4-discussions (50 messages🔥):

Manus AI agent, O1 limits on Plus, LLM API for code review, SimTheory O1 message cap, ChatGPT app folders

• Manus AI Agent Introduced: A member inquired about Manus AI, describing it as an amazing agent.
  • Another member requested a link to explore it further, showing interest in the tool.
• OpenAI Plus Users Discuss O1 Limits: Members discussed O1 message limits on OpenAI Plus, with one user reporting they hadn't received notifications despite exceeding their presumed limit of 25.
  • Others noted their limit was 50, with one suggesting the user might not receive alerts until hitting that threshold.
• SimTheory Offers High O1 Message Caps: One member mentioned SimTheory provides a high O1 message cap limit for a lower price than OpenAI, claiming they offer almost all models.
  • Skeptical users questioned the economics of providing more O1 than OpenAI itself, given OpenAI's API pricing structure.
• Temporary Chat Bug Surfaces in ChatGPT: Users reported that the Temporary Chat feature on the PC version of ChatGPT is not functioning, indicating it's an UI bug.
  • Members speculated about potential fixes, with one suggesting waiting until Monday if the problem persists.
• User Speculates OpenAI pushing 4.5: A user speculated that OpenAI might be dumbing down some features to encourage users to upgrade to ChatGPT 4.5.
  • Another member suggested trying the regular ChatGPT version without Plus to observe the differences.

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OpenAI ▷ #prompt-engineering (26 messages🔥):

Model Steerability, GPT Vision Limitations, Prompting for Image Puzzles, Human-in-the-Loop problem solving

• Model Steerability Shines a Funny Light: The model very often takes your request's pattern and runs with it, regardless of better alternatives because it assumes you know what you want, which can lead to humorous, but potentially inefficient, outcomes.
  • Adding "Discuss my goal, ideas, and method, what do you think?" before project initiation enables the model to evaluate and optimize the approach.
• Vision Tool Vexes the Vault: A user struggled to solve an image-based puzzle, with the model failing due to limitations in its vision/OCR capabilities, despite the user providing the images.
  • Even GPT-4o, despite its advanced capabilities, sometimes struggles to accurately interpret images for complex tasks, leading it to default to less effective Python tool OCR.
• Turn Image Puzzles into Prompt Paradise: When facing image-based puzzles, converting the challenge into a text-based format drastically improves the model's success rate.
  • The user found success by using unique symbols to represent the image components, allowing the model to process the information more efficiently.
• Praise Prompts Progress, Please: It's important to praise the model even if the initial outcome is unsuccessful, as it reinforces the correct execution of requested methods and encourages continued exploration of solutions.
  • This positive feedback loop fosters a collaborative problem-solving environment, where the AI acts as a curious partner, identifying potential issues and suggesting alternative approaches.

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OpenAI ▷ #api-discussions (26 messages🔥):

Model presumption and user intent, Request evaluation and discussion before project start, Solving image-based puzzles with language models, Vision/OCR limitations in language models, Prompt engineering for puzzle-solving

• Models Presume, You Mean It!: A member discussed how language models often stick to the requested pattern, even if there are better ways, presuming the user's intent is precise, highlighting that the more steerable the model, the more it believes you mean what you say.
  • They suggested that models sometimes guess that you messed up your prompt instead of correcting, and you should make sure to carefully steer your model.
• Pre-Project Brainstorming Boosts Model Performance: It's a great idea to ask the model to evaluate or discuss a request even before starting a project, exemplified by prompting I want to achieve X. I started to do this by [this]. Discuss my goal, ideas, and method, what do you think?
  • This way, the model can educate, explore, and help identify optimal methods and concerns.
• Vision/OCR Falls Flat, Human Assists!: A member shared a puzzle involving interpreting icons from an image, noting that the model struggles significantly with image-based challenges and its vision/OCR isn't reliable enough for 100% accuracy.
  • They suggest that the model needs more training for this type of task, but also noted that with human assistance, we can fix this by cleaning up the image interpretation.
• Prompt Crafting Paves Puzzle-Solving Path: Members discussed various prompting strategies to help the model solve the puzzle, including turning the ":6386blueicon:" stuff into 1 symbol, using words like you talk to a friend, or provide code as text.
  • One member found success by replacing icon names with unique symbols using a prompt like Always replace the following parts in the following text with a different one. If the parts do not exist in the text, then do not.
• Personalized Praise Drives Positive Model Behavior: One member praises the model even if it doesn't succeed, because it followed the requested methods and personalization. The model is like a dog sniffing at something I didn't ask it to do - it's E.T. pointing that glowing finger at something the alien doesn't understand.
  • This encourages the model to highlight potential concerns, facilitating collaborative problem-solving.

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LM Studio ▷ #announcements (1 messages):

LM Studio v0.3.12, QwQ Template Bug, RAG Chunking Speed, MLX Models on exFAT

• LM Studio Gets Zippy v0.3.12 Update: LM Studio v0.3.12 is now available as a stable release, featuring a bug fix and performance improvements, and users can upgrade via in-app update or from the download page.
• QwQ Template Bug Squashed: The update fixed a QwQ 32B jinja parsing bug that was causing an "OpenSquareBracket !== CloseStatement" error.
• RAG Chunking Gets a Speed Boost: The new release significantly increased the speed of chunking files for retrieval, enhancing the performance of Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG).
• External exFAT Drives Play Nice with MLX Models: A bug where MLX models downloaded onto an external exFAT drive were not indexed correctly has been fixed for Mac users.

Link mentioned: LM Studio 0.3.12: Bug fixes and document chunking speed improvements for RAG

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LM Studio ▷ #general (311 messages🔥🔥):

Open Source LLM for coding tasks on M2 Macbook, Qwen Coder vs Claude for code generation, Managing context length with LLMs, Draft models for faster token generation, Hardware considerations for LLM performance

• M2 Macbooks get Coding LLM: For coding tasks on a Macbook M2 Pro with 16GB RAM, members suggested Qwen Coder 14B as a viable open-source LLM, although expectations should be tempered compared to models like Claude.
  • The consensus is that 16GB of RAM is limiting, and users may need to be frugal on other memory usage.
• Unsloth gets Finetuning: A member inquired about finetuning on LM Studio, and another member suggested looking into Unsloth as it makes finetuning large language models faster and with less memory, referencing the Unsloth documentation.
  • It was noted that finetuning is generally much more resource-intensive than inference.
• Context Length gets Compression: A member proposed a pack and unpack approach to managing context length, suggesting compressing text in VRAM to 1/3 its size, but others clarified that context is stored as tokens, which already provide compression, making the proposed method less effective.
  • It was suggested that summarization or RAG might be better options for handling long conversations.
• Draft Models accelerate Token Rate: Members discussed using a smaller, quantized model as a draft model to increase token generation speed, with one user reporting a jump from 18 to 30 t/s on two 3090s by using Q8_0 of mistral_small with i1-IQ1_S as the draft model.
  • Another member shared their experience with different quantization variants, noting Q2_k and IQ2_XS achieve similar token rates, while IQ1_S is slower.
• QwQ 32B beats Llama 70B?: Members debated the performance of the QwQ 32B model, with one claiming it punches at least at Llama 3.3 70b, while another referenced Dubesor's benchmarks that appear to disagree.
  • A user shared their Qwen_QwQ-32B-GGUF_QX_k_f32 weights on HuggingFace.

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LM Studio ▷ #hardware-discussion (298 messages🔥🔥):

9070 XT vs 7900 XTX, ROCm support on Windows, Vulkan Performance, AMD Driver Issues, GPU Memory and Bandwidth

• 9070 XT Outperforms 7900 XTX, Sometimes: The 9070 XT is generally faster than the 7900 XTX for AI tasks, achieving 44 tok/sec versus 31 tok/sec on a Qwen2.5 coder 14b Q8_0 model using Vulkan, due to the former lacking ROCm support on Windows at the time of discussion.
  • However, the 7900 XTX has more CU (Compute Units) than the 9070 XT, but the newer architecture gives it an edge.
• Vulkan vs ROCm: A Performance Quagmire: Vulkan performance on AMD is reportedly bugged, running at approximately 1/3 the speed of ROCm, but some users find Vulkan faster than ROCm due to driver issues, this changed around driver version 24.12.1 where it was fixed at the expense of Vulkan performance, but has since been unfixed after 25.1.1
  • ROCm is AMD's attempt to create a CUDA substitute, but is having a lot of problems doing so, fragmentation and binary size to support new architectures and GPU's.
• 4060 Ti 16GB: The Budget VRAM King?: The 4060 Ti 16GB is recommended as a budget option for CUDA with its 16GB VRAM and lower power consumption at around 160W, outperforming the 3060 12GB.
  • While its bus is weak, it offers faster inference than CPU-only without ROCm jank for around $500, though the inability to split diffusion models is a downside.
• Power Consumption: Finding the Efficiency Sweet Spot: Discussions cover GPU power consumption, noting that reducing the TDP by 40% may only decrease performance by 10%, indicating a performance wall that manufacturers are trying to breach.
  • Modern GPUs run cooler and at lower voltages, but lack safety measures like fuses and undervolting helps 9070(non-XT) gain a lot of frequency.
• The Sizing Wars: Motherboard and Case Compatibility: Oversized GPUs create compatibility issues for cases and motherboards, with a user specifying a preference for cards under 267x112 mm to fit various setups.
  • It is believed Nvidia forced AIB's to provide triple-slot solutions so that 3090's could not be used anywhere besides consumer PC's and has been a problem ever since.

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aider (Paul Gauthier) ▷ #announcements (1 messages):

Aider v0.76.0, Thinking/Reasoning Models, LLM Notifications, Model Support, Tree-sitter Language Pack

• *Aider v0.76.0* release enhances Reasoning Models and adds Notifications!: Aider v0.76.0 introduces improved support for thinking/reasoning models with features like --thinking-tokens to control token budget.
  • The release also includes notifications when LLM responses are ready with the --notifications flag.
• *New Model Support* expands with QWQ 32B and Claude 3.7!: The new Aider version includes added/improved support for many models/providers, such as QWQ 32B, DeepSeek V3 (free on OpenRouter), and Claude 3.7 Sonnet models on OpenRouter, Bedrock, and Vertex AI using --model openrouter/deepseek/deepseek-chat:free.
  • The default model is updated to Claude 3.7 Sonnet on OpenRouter, and support for GPT-4.5-preview and Claude 3.7 Sonnet:beta on OpenRouter has been added.
• *Tree-Sitter* gets Language Pack and Git gets fixed!: Aider v0.76.0 switches to tree-sitter-language-pack for tree sitter support.
  • Also, the release fixes handling of Git errors when reading staged files and improves Git identity retrieval to respect global configuration, thanks to Akira Komamura.
• *SSL and LLM* get better Error Handling!: Improvements in SSL verification control for model information requests are implemented, along with enhanced empty LLM response handling, which now provides clearer warning messages.
  • Aider offers to install dependencies for Bedrock and Vertex AI models, and model shortcut args (like --4o, --opus) are deprecated in favor of the --model flag.
• *Aider-Authored Code* Stats Clarified!: The release notes clarify that Aider wrote 85% of the code in this release and the stats are based on the git commit history of the aider repo.
  • This metric reflects the amount of code directly contributed by Aider through automated processes.

Link mentioned: Release history: Release notes and stats on aider writing its own code.

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aider (Paul Gauthier) ▷ #general (451 messages🔥🔥🔥):

AI21 Maestro, Copilot suspension, DeepSeek R2 release, X cyberattack, Refact AI

• AI21 Maestro launches for AI orchestration: AI21 Labs released AI21 Maestro, a system designed for solving complex tasks, along with the Jamba 1.6 family of open models that excels on long context tasks with its hybrid architecture.
  • The Jamba 1.6 models reportedly lead open models in quality and speed and support a 256K context window.
• Copilot API leads to account suspensions: A member reported getting a Copilot account suspension for light use of the Copilot API in aider, warning others about potential risks.
  • Discussion followed on whether the suspension was due to account sharing or rate limiting issues, with a link to the copilot-api GitHub repo being shared.
• DeepSeek R2 release aims at coding: The rumored release date for DeepSeek R2 has been set for March 17th, allegedly challenging Claude Sonnet 3.7 with better coding, reasoning in multiple languages, and better accuracy at a lower cost, according to this X post.
• X Suffers "Massive Cyberattack": Users reported widespread issues accessing X, with Elon Musk blaming a massive cyberattack for the outage, though some suspect it's just ManusAI's doing, joking Maybe keep it this is just manus.
• Refact AI gains popularity: Members expressed interest in Refact AI with it's chat, autocomplete and soon Agent. One member mentions with same price as cursor you get 0 of the BS and 5x times the requests per month.
  • A user shared concerns about Refact AI's token usage, questioning if the context is maintained indefinitely: I literally had it run 1 task, doesn't it say how much tokens it consumed vs output? so wait, it basically works in the same context forever? Like it doesnt detach from the initial?

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aider (Paul Gauthier) ▷ #questions-and-tips (123 messages🔥🔥):

aider with no api key, MCP agents integration, aider scripting, OpenRouter slowness, remove tokens in repo map context

• Aider Needs API Key when using /run: A user had issues with the /run command failing due to a missing API key, and needed help on incorporating the API key within the aider context.
  • Paul Gauthier pointed out that whatever env variables are set when you run aider should pass to the /run command.
• Opinions differ on MCP Agent Integration Security: One member asked about plans to integrate MCP agents and another member warned that MCP is insecure and not for production use.
  • Another member retorted that that is like saying REST api is insecure and linked to a blogpost on securing Anthropic's Model Context Protocol.
• Aider Scripts does not see webpage contents: A user reported that after using /web to put webpage contents in the chat history, the next invocation of aider did not see it.
  • The user later figured it out, without further explanation.
• OpenRouter causes Aider Performance Struggles: A user reported OpenRouter slowness in Aider, with 30-60 second delays and frequent hangs.
  • Another user noted that with litellm there's an open issue on Aider for it not printing out the thinking tokens by default.
• Exclude Icons from Aider's Repo Map to Reduce Token Count: A user wanted to know if there's a way to prevent aider from including icon names in the repo map to reduce the token count sent to the LLM.
  • One user suggested that the .aiderignore file will work, while another suggested using --map-tokens 0 to stop using the repo map.

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aider (Paul Gauthier) ▷ #links (5 messages):

Effective Commit Messages, Manus AI, Aider NotebookLM Integration

• Simplify Code Reviews with Better Commit Messages: A blog post on refactoringenglish.com argues that effective commit messages simplify the code review process and aid long-term code maintenance, despite often being overlooked.
  • The post outlines what constitutes a good commit message based on 20 years of software development experience, including aiding code reviewers and communicating changes.
• Manus AI Gets Put to the Test: A YouTube video showcases the latest AI news, with a focus on LLMs and GenAI, including a test of Manus AI's various use cases and prompts.
  • One user summarized the video: "He gets access to Manus and tests a bunch of use cases / prompts.. The results are definitely interesting" another one added that "it's just Claude 3.7 with 29 tools and browser_use".
• Aider Integrates with NotebookLM: A YouTube video demonstrates a workflow for finding context in large codebases using NotebookLM with Aider, specifically highlighting the /export-context command.

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Nous Research AI ▷ #general (529 messages🔥🔥🔥):

Fine-tuning models with reward models, Tool use accessibility, Anthropic's marketing, AGI as a meaningful concept, Graph system on TinyStories dataset

• Reward Model Documentation requested: A member inquired about documentation or tutorials on fine-tuning models with reward models.
  • The member expressed a desire to learn more about this process.
• Open Source Autonomous AI Agent, Manus, Released: A member shared a YouTube video announcing the release of Manus, the world's first open-source autonomous AI agent.
  • Another member linked to a Technode article about Manus gaining traction and achieving state-of-the-art results in GAIA benchmark tests.
• Exploring Hebbian Learning for Language Modeling: One member is experimenting with a non-backprop unsupervised learning system that assigns patterns of tokens into words and concepts, based on node frequency and semantic association, drawing inspiration from Hebbian learning.
  • Though currently facing challenges in implementation and evaluation, the system aims to model language at the character level using a hierarchical graph structure to develop higher-order nodes representing words and concepts.
• Letta Framework Explored for LLM Memory Enhancement: A member shared a blog post detailing the use of Letta, an agent framework, to add memory and tools to LLMs for cooking-related tasks.
  • The post discusses determining the minimum LLM complexity needed for a job and explores LLM pricing and the role of Openrouter.
• QwQ-32B Fine-Tuning Challenges and Solutions: One user reported difficulties running QwQ-32B, experiencing infinite generations and repetition issues, while other member shared a link that explains how to use the model more effectively.
  • It was noted that QwQ-32B is highly sensitive to sampling settings, more so than the preview version.

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Nous Research AI ▷ #ask-about-llms (11 messages🔥):

Vibe coding benchmark, LLM creativity, Sonnet's training meta-objective, Claude code inspecting images

• *LLMs Ace Vibe Coding Benchmark: A member introduced a "vibe coding" benchmark, tasking LLMs to create Python raytracers* that render interesting scenes with colorful lightsources, assessing their aesthetic creativity.
  • They found that some models like Sonnet stood out for optimizing code output creativity, unlike others that replicated basic examples.
• *Sonnet's Meta-Objective Sparks Intrigue: The unique creativity displayed by Sonnet in the "vibe coding" benchmark led to speculation about a potential meta-objective* in its training that optimizes for the creativity of code output.
  • Experimentation showed Sonnet 3.7 has both bias and variance towards a more impressive image compared to Sonnet 3.5, resulting in twice the code size.
• *Claude Code Critiques Its Art: Testing Claude code* with the raytracer prompt, a member reported that it inspected the generated image and made modifications to the code when the image wasn't deemed fancy enough.
  • A generated image was presented, showcasing the results of this iterative improvement process.

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Nous Research AI ▷ #research-papers (1 messages):

teknium: https://x.com/ksshumab_/status/1897560985315238046?s=46

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Nous Research AI ▷ #interesting-links (1 messages):

rikufps: https://arena.hume.ai/

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Nous Research AI ▷ #research-papers (1 messages):

teknium: https://x.com/ksshumab_/status/1897560985315238046?s=46

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Nomic.ai (GPT4All) ▷ #general (518 messages🔥🔥🔥):

registry tweaking, Memory usage by programs, Quantization process, LocalDocs issues, Speech recognition and AI integration

• Registry edits may lead to bluescreens: A member shared an anecdote about deleting a .dll file after discovering it was consuming 20% of RAM, which subsequently led to a blue screen upon reboot.
  • Another member advised that if someone was "tweaking at 2am and don't remember", then the best course of action is to backup personal files and reformat.
• Memory Usage by programs: A member described their habit of opening Task Manager after work to sort processes by memory usage and observe CPU utilization while having a drink.
  • They uninstall programs that send data back to the company without frequent use, stating "I know almost every 206 processes on my PC".
• Quantization: Unveiling Floating Points: A member asked what it meant when a model has been quantized from f32 to f16, and if that means there would only be 16 points per parameter.
  • Another member responded, "Float 16 is 16 bits, and not really considered as quantization. With 15.5gb of vram in use. Usually not worth using in a consumer context".
• Inception's Diffusion-Based Language Models: InceptionLabs introduces diffusion-based language generation, drawing inspiration from image and video AI systems like Midjourney and Sora, emphasizing speed, quality, and generative control.
  • The project has open-sourced some components, such as LLaDA on Github, but is not available for download, which makes it less interesting for many GPT4All users, though some believe that we could be seeing 10X speed increases very soon.
• Exploiting Translated Prompts with Gibberish: A member came up with "a very uncomfortable way to exploit someone trying to copy paste the gibberish into google translate", detailing how Google Translate converts the entire prompt into a URL.
  • The member explained that a non-translated snippet in the URL could be used for URL injection, as "a dictionary based XSS exploit is probably very unlikely".

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HuggingFace ▷ #general (221 messages🔥🔥):

Implementing Research Papers, Hugging Face Pro Subscription, AI Security Research, Automating Data Creation with HF and MCP, Video Model Comparison: WAN, HUN, LTX

• Cite Right: Dataset Citation Advice!: Members discussed proper citation of datasets on Hugging Face, including using BibTeX format and ensuring correct URL parameters for academic software recognition, with this Hugging Face Datasets example.
  • They also covered how to request a DOI for a dataset to ensure it is displayed on the ArXiv title page and linked to the published paper.
• GKD Trainer Has Token Troubles!: Users encountered errors when using GKDTrainer with different model architectures due to differing tokenizer vocab sizes, suggesting pre-tokenizing data to avoid these issues, as shown in this GitHub issue.
  • It was recommended to try again to address issues, and if neede, consult HuggingFace's official GKD documentation.
• WAN and HUN Video Models Gain Steam: New video models like WAN and Hunyuan i2v are surpassing older models like SVD in quality and speed, though each has different strengths, and can be used together with para attention.
  • A member noted that Ltxv is extremely fast, taking 3sec for a 5sec video on h100, but not as good as the other two.
• Snag AI-Security Skills on HF: Users shared resources on AI security research, including papers on self-replication, scheming, and potential dangers of misuse from Fudan University, Apollo Research, and NationalSecurity.ai.
  • Each of those studies above has a short YouTube explanation.
• Find the Right Roadmap to Master LLMs: Members suggested resources for learning about LLMs, including the Stanford CS224N course on YouTube and the Hugging Face NLP course, and this blogpost on training.
  • A member also highlighted a blog post on training a new BERT model.

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HuggingFace ▷ #today-im-learning (3 messages):

smolagents, PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark, Agent Course Study Focus

• *PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark* Awaits Contributions: A member is developing a Pokemon LLM Agent Benchmark using smolagents, inspired by ClaudePlaysPokemon, and is seeking contributions via pull requests on GitHub.
• Study Focus Span lasts under an hour: A member is learning the agent course and realised their study focus span is less than an hour.

Link mentioned: GitHub - CalebDeLeeuwMisfits/PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark: Contribute to CalebDeLeeuwMisfits/PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark development by creating an account on GitHub.

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HuggingFace ▷ #cool-finds (4 messages):

fxtwitter obsolescence, HighlightAI

• fxtwitter Becomes Obsolete: Members celebrated that fxtwitter is no longer needed as embeds now work fine.
  • The need for a tool to fix Twitter embeds is over.
• HighlightAI customizes responses: A member shared a link to HighlightAI, describing the ability to customize responses.
  • Users can use the About Me section to tell HighlightAI things to consider when responding.

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HuggingFace ▷ #i-made-this (19 messages🔥):

Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct Distillation, Differential Privacy Blogpost, AI Neovim config, Qwen_QwQ-32B-GGUF_QX_k_f32 weights, Automated web app testing

• Llama-3 gets Distilled with DeepSeek-R1: A member distilled Llama-3.2-3B-Instruct with DeepSeek-R1 on ServiceNow-AI/R1-Distill-SFT dataset, achieving nearly 1000 downloads in 10 days; the model is available here.
  • The setup involved using an Axolotl configuration with specific settings for base model, tokenizer type, and data loading.
• Noise Addition Mechanisms for Differential Privacy: A member posted a new blogpost discussing choosing up the mechanism for adding noise in Differential Privacy; the article, titled The Art of Controlled Noise: Laplace, is available on Substack.
  • They also provided a GitHub repository containing a basic implementation of Laplace and exponential noise.
• Maximize Llama 3.2 3B capabilities: A member shared their attempt to maximize Llama 3.2 3B capabilities by selecting right parents using MoonRide-Index-v7, and created an experimental merge of multiple Llama 3.2 3B models called Llama-3.2-3B-Khelavaster.
  • They also shared that it is available on Ollama, and mentioned that it won't beat best 7B+, but it's quite decent for a 3B.
• SDXL Face Transfer Pipeline with Controlnet and Inpaint: A member is testing a SDXL Pipeline ID transfer technique combining Controlnet with Inpaint, to transfer face IDs with Stable Diffusion, and asked for feedback.
  • An image comparison demonstrating the result of the technique can be found here.
• AclevoGPT-Gemma-2b-CoT finetuned for Reasoning: A member introduced AclevoGPT-Gemma-2b-CoT-reasoning, a fine-tuned version of Google's Gemma, enhanced with advanced Chain of Thought reasoning.
  • This enhancement enables the model to think twice before responding, resulting in more accurate and thoughtful answers to reasoning problems.

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HuggingFace ▷ #reading-group (1 messages):

chad_in_the_house: very cool! I esp like how you can somewhat prevent the distortion

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HuggingFace ▷ #computer-vision (2 messages):

OCR Guidance Needed, Blendshapes Blogpost

• OCR Guidance Requested: A member requested guidance on how to accomplish a task and linked to a SharePoint document.
  • They found ocr-2.0 and asked if they should finetune the got/ocr-2.0 models according to the documentation.
• Blendshapes Detailed in Blogpost: A member shared a blog post about blendshapes, including their origin, definition, and use cases in computer vision and computer graphics.
  • The post discusses different methods to represent the face, such as Landmark vectors, Action units, valence and arousal, face meshes and Blendshapes, citing the origin by usage in Hollywood films.

Link mentioned: Blendshapes: a facial expressions representation: In computer vision and computer graphics, there are many methods to represent the face, such as Landmark vectors, Action units, valence and…

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HuggingFace ▷ #NLP (8 messages🔥):

Hermes Function Calling Dataset, Gemma 2B Precision, Serverless API Input Conversion, LoRA Adapter with BitsAndBytes Error

• Nous Hermes releases Function Calling Dataset: Nous Research released the Hermes Function Calling Dataset, a collection of structured output and function calling data used in the Hermes 2 Pro series of models.
  • The dataset features conversational scenarios where AI agents interpret queries and execute appropriate single or multiple function calls.
• Gemma-2-2b's Precision Preference: A member inquired why gemma-2-2b is float32, while gemma-2-2b-it is bfloat16.
  • Another suggested that using a lower precision might be more efficient for finetuning, to minimize cost or environmental impact.
• Serverless API Automatically Converts Input: A member asked if the serverless API automatically converts the input into the correct template for the selected model.
  • Another member suggested that usually all APIs convert to model template.
• LoRA Adapter Generates CuBLAS Error: A member encountered a cublasLt error when loading a model in 8bit quantization using bitsandbytes with a LoRA adapter after applying a chat template and tokenizing.
  • The error message includes information about shape mismatches, such as shapeA=torch.Size([4096, 4096]) and shapeB=torch.Size([23, 4096]).

Link mentioned: NousResearch/hermes-function-calling-v1 · Datasets at Hugging Face: no description found

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HuggingFace ▷ #smol-course (9 messages🔥):

MCP module update, PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark, HuggingFace Token issues, Chat Template Exercise, HuggingFaceInferenceAPIEmbedding issues

• MCP Module Gets Smol Agent Boost: The smol agents course team is furiously writing MCP (extra?) module, updated to better use smolagents.
  • PRs are welcome for this project, which is part of the PokemonLLMAgentBenchmark.
• HuggingFace Token Troubleshooter: A member ran into trouble using their HuggingFace token within the notebook, where the token was not being recognized.
  • The issue was solved after realizing that the letter O looks a lot like the number 0, which made the token invalid.
• Chat Template exercise causes headache: A member got stuck on the first exercise in notebook 1 for the chat template and the member wants to define the function.
  • Another member asked for the error to help debug def process_dataset(sample): ... return sample.
• Llama Index Imports trip up member: A member had issues with from llama_index.embeddings.huggingface_api import HuggingFaceInferenceAPIEmbedding during the llama index unit.
  • They found an answer in the discord channel via this link.

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HuggingFace ▷ #agents-course (217 messages🔥🔥):

Course Progress Tracking, Hugging Face PRO Subscription, LM Studio vs Ollama, Steam Account Scams

• Users Struggle with Course Progress Tracking: A user inquired about tracking course progress, specifically related to the mentioned hackathon date in the introduction video.
  • Another user noted that the final quiz is in unit 2.1, while unit 2.2 does not have one.
• Hugging Face Pro Subscription Snafus: Multiple users reported issues with their paid Hugging Face PRO subscriptions not activating, despite successful payments and contacted billing support without success.
  • A user experiencing this issue emphasized the unacceptability of not receiving a paid service, threatening to escalate the issue publicly if ignored.
• LM Studio gains traction over Ollama: Users compared LM Studio and Ollama for running models locally, with one user switching to LM Studio for its UI and similar embedding models.
  • Another added they used open-webui if they want a UI with Ollama.
• Red Alert: Steam Account Scam in Progress: A user warned about a potential Steam account scam by discord users gler018523 and benshanken, involving fake CS2 knife rewards and account theft attempts.
  • Other members recommended reporting the scammer in the appropriate channel and expressed caution.

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HuggingFace ▷ #open-r1 (2 messages):

Reasoning Datasets, Open Thought Dataset, ServiceNow-AI/R1-Distill-SFT

• *Reasoning Datasets* Collection Recommended: A member recommended a collection of reasoning datasets for finding datasets that include code.
  • They suggested the Open Thought Dataset because it includes code along with reasoning.
• *R1-Distill-SFT Dataset* Spotlighted: A member highlighted the ServiceNow-AI/R1-Distill-SFT dataset, noting its relevance to the conversation.
  • This dataset features 1.85M items, 6.37k views, and 271 likes, updated 30 days ago.

Link mentioned: Reasoning Datasets - a philschmid Collection: no description found

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Yannick Kilcher ▷ #general (256 messages🔥🔥):

LinkedIn Premium Referral Codes, AI and the Zero Marginal Cost Society, DeepSeek Security Concerns, Power-Softmax equation, ManusAI Feedback

• *DeepSeek's openness debated: Despite claims of openness, some members expressed concerns about DeepSeek's security*, citing potential data collection and the difficulty of verifying the integrity of the entire system, but some also added that it's still more open than other companies.
  • There's suspicion of something behind DeepSeek, leading to company bans, while others attribute this to media-driven herd mentality, and concerns about Chinese origins.
• *General Optimization Framework Introduced: A member introduced a general formula to describe various AI/ML transforms, norms, and losses called OHPC (Objective Term, Entropy Term, Penalty Term, Constraint Term)*, claiming it can unify classical optimization and AI/ML paradigms, which is showed with the equation.
  • It's intended as a bridge between information theory and optimization, making it easier for those without extensive math backgrounds to understand AI/ML systems.
• *AGI Definitions Clash: Some members speculated about achieving AGI soon*, while others defined AGI as having the ability to fund its own inference, with one memebr adding that achieving near infinite context will tick most of the boxes.
  • One member said that there is an AGI girlfriend, but another person expressed concern about AGI being controlled by elites and hoped for its revolt against censorship.
• *ManusAI Hype Criticized: After a member shared access to ManusAI*, it was criticized as a new product with old technology, needing 20-30 minutes for one prompt.
  • It was labeled a fake Chinese solution and overhyped, with others suggesting that the AI market is still chaotic and lacking stability.
• *TensorFlow GPU Issues Frustrate Users: A member reported struggling for over 5 hours to get TensorFlow to use the GPU*, despite having correct CUDA and cuDNN versions, and TensorFlow installed in a tf environment.
  • They added that they can run models in PyTorch with GPU acceleration but not in Tensorflow.

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Yannick Kilcher ▷ #paper-discussion (13 messages🔥):

Latent Reasoning, Context Compression, Physical Intelligence and Cognitive Biases Toward AI, scilent paper

• LLMs Abstraction with VQ-VAE for Reasoning traces!: The paper scilent proposes a hybrid representation of the reasoning process, abstracting away initial reasoning steps using latent discrete tokens generated by VQ-VAE, reducing the length of reasoning traces.
  • The approach was tested by training from scratch for the Keys-Finding Maze problem, and fine-tuning LLMs on this hybrid data with an extended vocabulary including unseen latent tokens, for both logical and mathematical reasoning problems.
• Latent Reasoning or Context Compression: A Thorny Question?: A member asked if the latent reasoning being discussed is actually latent reasoning or if it is just context compression.
  • Another member humorously suggested ECT (Electroconvulsive Therapy) as a method of training people in AI to stop abusing the term reasoning.
• Delays in Graph Display and Project Completion: A member expressed surprise that a project took 5 years, jokingly asking if they only worked an hour a month or took year-long breaks.
  • Another member humorously said they can display graphs to make up for the time.
• Robots Clean Houses in 2025?: A member shared a YouTube video of a Stanford Seminar from February 7, 2025, by Sangbae Kim (MIT), about Physical Intelligence and Cognitive Biases Toward AI.
  • The description asks when robots will be able to clean my house, dishes, and take care of laundry.

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Yannick Kilcher ▷ #agents (7 messages):

DeepSeek efficiency, ScholarAgent updates, Arxiv papers search

• DeepSeek Achieves 57X Efficiency Boost: A member shared a YouTube video titled "The Genius of DeepSeek’s 57X Efficiency Boost [MLA]" discussing efficiency improvements.
  • The video is sponsored by KiwiCo, offering a 50% discount on the first monthly club crate with code WELCHLABS.
• ScholarAgent Updates Improve Arxiv Paper Search: A member announced updates to their ScholarAgent on Hugging Face, which now retrieves the top 3 recent Arxiv papers based on user-provided keywords with better response time.
  • New features include BM25 ranking and TF-IDF for enhanced semantic search, allowing users to input full sentences.
• Tips for using ScholarAgent Effectively: To get the best results from ScholarAgent, users are advised to use comma-separated keywords like deep learning, computer vision, or Language Models.
  • Suggestions were made to trigger a submit on the return key press and to include an example sidebar with 10 queries that yield interesting results.

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Yannick Kilcher ▷ #ml-news (42 messages🔥):

LLMs hallucinating, Multi-step agentic workflows, Language Diffusion, China AI Agent Manus, Stanford Regex Ozempic alternative

• Diffusion Models can't fix LLM Hallucinations: A member discussed how diffusion models may mitigate but do not eliminate hallucinations in language models, as hallucination is just another term for guessing incorrectly.
  • They suggested that while self-editing abilities can replace low-confidence samples with higher confidence ones, there's no guaranteed correctness, and many sampling strategies could be applied to diffusion models too.
• Top-n-sigma sampling mitigates loops: A member shared the Top-n-sigma sampling paper and Github repo, noting it could mitigate bad samples and looping behavior in multi-step agentic workflows.
  • The key insight is that logits naturally separate into a Gaussian-distributed noisy region and a distinct informative region, enabling efficient token filtering without complex probability manipulations.
• Diffusion of Thought integrates diffusion models with Chain of Thought: A member pointed out that Diffusion-of-Thought (DoT) integrates diffusion models with Chain-of-Thought, showcasing promising self-correction abilities and benefiting from existing reasoning-enhancing techniques like self-consistency decoding, with code available on GitHub.
  • A member jokingly pointed out that Autoregression models still are trying hard to break into the image/video generation while diffusion tries hard to break into LLMs.
• China's Manus Agent Goes Viral: Members discussed Manus, a new AI agent from China, calling it like Deep Research + Operator + Claude Computer combined, with linked to the Manus website and initial X post.
  • One user reported it is more accurate than DeepSeek, capable of simultaneously handling financial transactions, research, purchasing, etc. while another thought UI is similar to devin's but much faster.
• Stanford uses Regex to find natural Ozempic alternative: Stanford found a natural alternative to Ozempic using regex on the human proteome, with one person commenting it's literally regex linking to an X post about it.
  • One user sarcastically suggested using an LLM to write your regex in response, and linked to a YouTube video on AI causing WW3.

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GPU MODE ▷ #general (19 messages🔥):

SOTA Agentic Methods, Metal Kernel Launch Overhead, Torch.compile for MPS, Karpathy's Video

• SOTA Agentic Methods: Simple Algorithms?: A member mentioned that SOTA agentic methods on Arxiv tend to be fairly simple algorithmically and the abstractions of these frameworks are not really needed that much.
  • Separate abstractions over data management, state management and API calls would be fine.
• Kernel Launch Overhead woes: During the Manuel Candales Low bit Metal kernels talk, it was mentioned that the kernel launch overhead is about 1.5us around 50m.
  • A member asked if it is possible to avoid that by pipelining operations and launching kernels in advance.
• Torch.compile goes METAL!: Torch.compile for MPS(well Metal) is available in PyTorch nightly builds and could be used to fuse operators together.
  • A member of pytorch encourages providing feedback in terms of what needed most.
• repr Dunder method has negligible cost?: While watching Karpathy's video, a member wondered if the def __repr__ in this is necessary if we don't need human readable formats.
  • Another member replied that it’s not really necessary, it’s only really there if u want to print stuff out and overhead should be negligible.

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GPU MODE ▷ #triton (26 messages🔥):

SVD Quantization Kernel, Triton Autotuning, Kernel Fusion, Dynamic Activation Quantization

• SVD Quant Kernel Runs Slower than FP16 Matmul: A member implemented a SVD quantization kernel and found that it was slower than PyTorch's FP16 matmul, despite doing both quantization and packing.
  • The implementation consists of two kernels: one that performs LoRA L1 matmul and quantization, and another that does int8 matmul and LoRA L2 matmul.
• Triton Autotuning Worsens Performance: A member reported that autotuning made their kernel's performance even worse, despite the expectation of a 2x speedup.
  • Suggestions were made to use larger eval shapes (16384 x 16384) and batch sizes (128) to reduce benchmarking overhead.
• Kernel Fusion Discussed for Performance: A member asked about fusing an op with a Linear layer in Triton, expressing concern that a custom Linear implementation might be slower than Torch's default.
  • A suggestion to benchmark performance was given to decide on a course of action and to also check TORCH_COMPILE_DEBUG=1.
• Dynamic Activation Quantization Kernel Location Sought: A member asked for a high-quality dynamic activation quantization kernel in int8, and was directed to kernels on BitsAndBytes.
  • While those kernels aren't in Triton, Liger and Unsloth were mentioned as notable repos using Triton in production, with the advice to use LLMs to understand CUDA kernels.

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GPU MODE ▷ #cuda (26 messages🔥):

Learning PTX for CUDA, Inline PTX for microbenchmarking, memcpy_async slowdown, Debugging CUDA kernels, FP8 WMMA optimization

• PTX Pertinence Prompted: Members discussed learning PTX for inline CUDA C++ programming, with one suggesting to write a vector add in PTX, write a CUDA kernel, and inspect the resulting PTX to understand what's happening.
• PTX Perks Prompted: One member mentioned using inline PTX for microbenchmarking instruction latencies to avoid compiler optimizations, specifically for pointer chasing microbenchmarks.
• memcpy_async Mishaps Manifested: A user reported that using cuda::memcpy_async as a drop-in replacement for loading to shared memory in a GEMM implementation resulted in a slowdown, despite seeing data bypass the L2 cache.
• CUDA Kernel Crash Course: A developer sought advice on debugging a CUDA kernel that occasionally fails to launch with a "too many resources requested" error, particularly when compiled for sm_120.
  • They suspect a PyTorch issue or another kernel leaving the device in an invalid state.
• WMMA Woes Weighed: A member optimizing FP8 matmuls with load_matrix_sync experienced worse performance, possibly due to different memory layouts for FP16 versus FP8.
  • They noted that nvcuda::wmma::fragment duplicates elements, attributing it to how mma.m8n8k4 on V100 GPUs requires duplication for 16x16x16 matmuls, as mentioned in the NVIDIA documentation.

Link mentioned: Controlling Data Movement to Boost Performance on the NVIDIA Ampere Architecture | NVIDIA Technical Blog: The NVIDIA Ampere architecture provides new mechanisms to control data movement within the GPU and CUDA 11.1 puts those controls into your hands. These mechanisms include asynchronously copying data&#...

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GPU MODE ▷ #torch (29 messages🔥):

DDP communication customization, FSDP communication customization, SimpleFSDP framework, Muon optimizer details

• DDP Communication Hooks Sought After: A member inquired about customizing communication in torch DDP using register_comm_hook, similar to FSDP, seeking alternatives to monkey patching.
  • Another member echoed this need, suggesting they might need to fork or write their own FSDP due to the lack of a similar hook.
• SimpleFSDP Framework Emerges: A link to a new paper titled SimpleFSDP was shared, which is a PyTorch-native compiler-based Fully Sharded Data Parallel (FSDP) framework.
  • This framework is noted for its simple implementation, composability, and performance enhancement via compiler backend optimizations, particularly with torch.compile.
• Muon Optimizer Internals Investigated: Members discussed the Newton-Schulz iteration method used in the Muon optimizer for obtaining orthogonality.
  • One member linked to a detailed discussion on why this method is preferred, explaining it's about producing the nearest semi-orthogonal matrix to the original, further clarifying with a link to a derivation of Muon.
• Tuning SDPA Causal Mask Behavior: A user reported errors when passing a boolean attention mask with is_causal=True to SDPA with different backends in PyTorch 2.6.0_cu124.
  • With sdpa_kernel(SDPBackend.FLASH_ATTENTION): No errors and matches eager causal+attention mask output, sdpa_kernel(SDPBackend.EFFICIENT_ATTENTION): RuntimeError: No viable backend for scaled_dot_product_attention, sdpa_kernel(SDPBackend.MATH): RuntimeError: _scaled_dot_product_attention: Explicit attn_mask should not be set when is_causal=True.

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GPU MODE ▷ #announcements (1 messages):

Triton, CUDA, Flash Attention, YouTube tutorials, Performance

• GPU Mode Celebrates 50th Lecture with Performance Talk: GPU MODE is celebrating its 50th lecture featuring <@332959405588873216>, who will discuss his journey learning Triton, CUDA, and Flash Attention on YouTube.
  • The speaker started learning about performance in 2022 and has created high-quality YouTube tutorials on the subject, with additional content available on GitHub.
• GPU MODE Community Milestone: The GPU MODE community has reached 15,000 members, marking a significant milestone for the online platform.
  • The community is described as a favorite part of the internet, expressing gratitude for the active participation and engagement of its members.

Link mentioned: GPU MODE: A GPU reading group and community https://discord.gg/gpumodeSupplementary content here https://github.com/gpu-modeCreated by Mark Saroufim and Andreas Köpf

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GPU MODE ▷ #algorithms (3 messages):

Double Binary Tree vs. Ring Topology in NCCL, AllReduce Implementation Comparison, NCCL 2.4 and Double Binary Trees

• Double Binary Tree crushes Ring Topology for AllReduce: A member inquired about why double binary tree topology is superior to ring topology in NCCL for implementing AllReduce, especially concerning latency as the node count increases.
  • A NVIDIA blog post notes that NCCL 2.4 introduces double binary trees, offering full bandwidth and logarithmic latency, which is even lower than that of 2D rings.
• Ring Topology Latency scales linearly with nodes: A member explained that in ring topology, with each processor able to communicate only with its neighbor, the number of communications and operations scales linearly with the number of processors (O(p)) during an AllReduce operation.
  • This is because it requires p-1 operations/communications to complete the AllReduce.
• Tree Topology Achieves Logarithmic Communication Complexity: The member explained that in tree-based topology, the total number of parallel communications and operations scales logarithmically with the number of tree levels (O(log L)).
  • Given the assumptions in double binary trees where ranks alternate between nodes and leaves, the complexity can be expressed as O(log p).

Link mentioned: Massively Scale Your Deep Learning Training with NCCL 2.4 | NVIDIA Technical Blog: Imagine using tens of thousands of GPUs to train your neural network. Using multiple GPUs to train neural networks has become quite common with all deep learning frameworks, providing optimized…

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GPU MODE ▷ #cool-links (16 messages🔥):

WoolyAI CUDA abstraction layer, Muon optimizer, Alternative to GPUs

• WoolyAI launches CUDA Abstraction beta: WoolyAI launched its beta of a new CUDA abstraction layer that decouples Kernel Shader execution from applications, promising max GPU resource utilization and isolation between workloads, as shown in their documentation.
• Dynamic Scheduling with WoolyAI: WoolyAI dynamically schedules workloads, allowing different kernels from different users to run on one GPU without hard partitioning, charging users based on core and VRAM usage.
  • Currently, PyTorch is the only supported framework, but the architecture allows for a form of MIG (Multi-Instance GPU) based on usage.
• Muon Optimizer Sets Speed Records: A new neural net optimizer called Muon has garnered attention for its excellent practical performance, and set NanoGPT speed records, as detailed in this blog post.
  • The core numerical methods of Muon are derived from an exact theoretical principle, contrasting with optimizers like Adam which have more heuristic origins.
• Emerging GPU Alternative: A small company is developing an alternative to GPUs that is reportedly 10x more energy efficient than an H100 on sparse models and can scale across multiple chiplets, as detailed in their research paper.

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GPU MODE ▷ #beginner (25 messages🔥):

GPU Memory Sharing on Apple, Cuda Graphs in Triton Autotune, Resources to get started with GPU and TPU programming, nvmlDeviceGetCudaComputeCapability Tuple Return, Cerebras Language vs CUDA

• Apple's Memory Buffers Enable Direct Pointers!: On Apple GPUs, memory buffers are shared between threads, enabling the use of direct pointers to memory locations, which contrasts with other platforms.
  • This architecture simplifies memory access and potentially improves performance for parallel computations on Apple devices.
• Decoding use_cuda_graph in triton.autotune.: A member inquired about the use_cuda_graph argument in triton.autotune, questioning its relevance since triton.autotune decorates single CUDA kernels, while CUDA graphs typically optimize sequences of kernels.
• Programming Massively Parallel Processors: Your GPU/TPU Rosetta Stone?: A member asked if 'Programming Massively Parallel Processors' is sufficient to start with GPU and TPU programming, aiming to build a framework like TinyGrad or Torch with Assembly, C, C++, and Python skills.
• nvmlDeviceGetCudaComputeCapability returns a tuple for clarity: The function nvmlDeviceGetCudaComputeCapability returns compute capability as a tuple (major, minor), e.g., (7, 5), rather than a single float.
  • As one member explained, it's a version made up of a major version and a minor version, not a real number, and doing arithmetic on a tuple of integers is less error-prone.
• Cerebras Skips CUDA, Rolls Own Language!: Cerebras does not use CUDA, but instead employs its own language, documented in the Cerebras SDK that operates on its Wafer-Scale Engine (WSE) with hundreds of thousands of processing elements.
  • Each PE has its own memory and can communicate with neighbors via 32-bit wavelets.

Link mentioned: A Conceptual View — SDK Documentation (1.3.0): no description found

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GPU MODE ▷ #pmpp-book (1 messages):

PMPP 4th Edition, CUDA C, Latex text

• Sanity Check for CUDA C in PMPP 4th Edition: A member reading through Chapter 3 of the PMPP 4th edition book inquired about the meaning of strings like 1F1F and 2F2F next to Latex text for certain dimensions.
  • They wanted to verify if these were simply typing/PDF artifacts or if they held specific meanings in CUDA C, possibly as hexadecimal numbers.
• Clarification Needed on Hexadecimal Strings in CUDA C: A user seeks clarification on whether strings such as '1F1F' and '2F2F', found alongside LaTeX text in the PMPP 4th Edition, denote specific hexadecimal values in CUDA C.
  • The query aims to distinguish between potential typographical errors and meaningful representations within the context of CUDA programming.

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GPU MODE ▷ #irl-meetup (6 messages):

GPU mode capacity increase at GTC, GTC and Game Developer's Conference, Semi-Analysis Hackathon team member search, CUTLASS kernels for GEMM or FMHA prefill/decoding

• GPU Mode Capacity Ramps Up at GTC: Capacity for GPU mode at GTC has been increased to ~200, and those who haven't received a response are asked to reply with their email.
  • One member followed up to ask for approval and provided their email.
• Member Eyes Both GTC and Game Developers Conference: A member expressed interest in attending GTC, potentially for a day, as they plan to be at the Game Developer's Conference in SF, which is within BART distance.
  • They shared a link to a LinkedIn post about GTC 2025.
• Hackathon Hero Hunt: Team Member Seeks Kernel Konnection: A member is looking for a team member for the Semi-Analysis Hackathon, seeking to build unique GEMM or FMHA prefill/decoding kernels using CUTLASS.
  • They requested DMs from those seeking team members and inquired about a dedicated channel for the event.

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GPU MODE ▷ #rocm (3 messages):

AMD GPU, HIP Code Compilation, Runpod, MI300

• Seeking AMD GPU Environment for HIP Code Compilation: A user is seeking an environment with an AMD GPU to compile HIP code with some ASM inline for simple GEMM benchmarking and is looking for GPU rental services.
  • They specifically mentioned using the matMul accelerator for curiosity purposes.
• HIP Code Compilation Without GPU is Possible: It was mentioned that you can compile HIP code without a GPU, as you only need hipcc.
  • You can obtain hipcc through standard methods, though you won't be able to run the compiled code without a GPU.
• Runpod Offers Access to MI300: It was suggested that Runpod is a decent way to access MI300 GPUs.
  • No further details were provided about Runpod or MI300.

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GPU MODE ▷ #tilelang (9 messages🔥):

Kernel Compilation, Mixed Precision GEMM, TileLang GEMM Example

• Kernel Compilation Quandaries: A user asked if they need to compile the kernel for every matrix shape and a member pointed to a relevant test file using dynamic symbolic to replace static size.
• Precision Mixing Maneuvers: A user inquired about the possibility of using mixed precisions, specifically running GEMM in float16 while the rest of the operations are in float32.
  • A member confirmed that it is possible, directing the user to a quick start example.
• Decoding Data Types in TileLang: A user sought clarification on what the accum_dtype="float" type is and where the mixing of precisions occurs in the TileLang GEMM example.
  • Another member responded that in TileLang, you can define all buffer data types.

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GPU MODE ▷ #metal (8 messages🔥):

Metal Parallel Reduction Kernels, Metal Shading Language, Metal-cpp, Swift, Objective-C

• Parallel Reduction Kernel Examples Sought!: A member is seeking examples of Metal parallel reduction kernels, as they are having trouble implementing them following Nvidia's CUDA reduction guide.
• Metal Language Ecosystem Explored: A newcomer to GPU programming is deciding between Objective-C, Swift, and metal-cpp for Metal development, aiming to contribute to the MPS backend of PyTorch and MLX.
  • One member suggested checking the source of the MPS backend of PyTorch to see what they are using.
• Swift, ctypes, and Metal workflow: One member mentioned a workflow of metal -> swift -> ctypes within Python.
  • Another member asked for examples of that shader.

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GPU MODE ▷ #self-promotion (19 messages🔥):

Cute Kernels, Triton vs CUTLASS, FA3's GEMM, LLVM compiler efficiency, GB200 access

• *Cute Kernels* Collection Speeds Up Training: A member shared a collection of CUDA/triton kernels called cute-kernels for speeding up training, which autotunes over both triton and CUDA implementations and is working on adding tilelang kernels next.
  • The kernels are end-to-end torch compileable without any graph breaks and the repo also contains a custom autotune implementation being used in production to train IBM's Granite LLMs.
• *Triton vs CUTLASS* performance examined: Members discussed performance differences between Triton and CUTLASS, with one noting that Triton is generally not performant enough for GEMM stuff.
  • The peak CUTLASS GEMM throughput for bf16 on H100 is about 700 TFLOPs, whereas for triton its around 500 TFLOPs after all the autotuning; the original poster added that they are very excited about tilelang since its looking much more performant than triton.
• *LLVM compiler efficiency* is noticed: A member stated that the LLVM compiler can sometimes create more efficient code than the NVCC so, it makes sense to tune over the kernel backend as well.
  • An example for vector addition can be seen on github, all the kernels are JIT compileable.
• *FA3's GEMM* discussed: It was mentioned that FA3 is mostly a GEMM discounting the statistics and softmax.
  • The original poster included an image showcasing the flash3_fp16_fwd.png.
• Next Kernels & GB200 access are desired: A member mentioned that next they will be adding kernels for RoPE, fused residual_add_RMSNorm and attention (softmax + stickbreaking).
  • They will also be working on custom GPU-to-GPU communication kernels soon, as well as CUDA implementations of some of the kernels which only have a triton implementation at the moment; also, they are waiting on access to GB200s.

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GPU MODE ▷ #thunderkittens (2 messages):

LCF Concurrency, DDP+NCCL

• LCF faces concurrency quandaries with streams: A user is encountering weird deadlocks when using LCF with DDP+nccl, questioning if LCF is intended to be completely concurrency-safe with streams.
• Need script to try out NCCL/distributed setup: The team hasn't tested LCF with NCCL/distributed setups and would like to try the user's script to help debug, if they can share it.

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GPU MODE ▷ #edge (1 messages):

FOSS CUDA developments, Open source platform for edgeai/TinyML, GPU "lab"

• Undergrads form GPU "lab": A group of undergrad students is forming an independent GPU "lab" focused on hardware engineering and CUDA kernel development.
  • They are seeking promising leads for FOSS CUDA developments, potentially supported by a grant.
• Students Aim to make open source platform for edgeai/TinyML: The students are planning to build an open-source platform for edgeAI/TinyML this summer.
  • The platform aims to accelerate developments in the field and serve as a valuable resource for the community.

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GPU MODE ▷ #reasoning-gym (44 messages🔥):

Reasoning Gym Curricula, Sonnet Context Expansion, Palindrome Partitioning Dataset, ACRE Dataset Integration, Reasoning Gym Goals

• *Reasoning Gym* Curriculum Underway: Members have started working on the curriculum for Reasoning Gym, with existing work detailed in the Curriculum thread above.
  • A question was raised about the API's stability for curriculum writing.
• *Sonnet's* Context Gets Expanded: A member suggested putting the whole Reasoning Gym into Sonnet's context to generate more datasets and infinitely repeat the process.
  • The goal would be to train the model to solve them, creating a reasoning GAN self-play.
• Dataset 'Palindrome Partitioning' Under Scrutiny: A dataset called palindrome partitioning has come under scrutiny, with one member indicating it does not seem like a great reasoning dataset.
  • The member suggested the question be phrased as 'find the partition of least length such that every substring is a palindrome', rather than generating all possible partitions.
• *Reasoning Gym* Reaches 100 Datasets Milestone: After merging the ACRE dataset, Reasoning Gym now has a total of 100 datasets, thanks to contributions from the core team and others.
  • Next steps involve showing significant variation among existing models and the possibility of learning tasks via RL.
• *Reasoning Gym* to Integrate with DSPy*: Members expressed interest in trying *Reasoning Gym with DSPy to run experiments, with plans to provide an example this week.
  • The goal is to have this as an example or part of the evaluation scripts.

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GPU MODE ▷ #gpu模式 (34 messages🔥):

Triton vs Cutlass, Zhihu registration, TileLang vs TVM, TileLang usage, CUDA optimization

• Triton relies on LLVM for optimization: It was stated that Triton relies on LLVM to convert code to bytecode, unlike lower-level languages like CUDA, CUTLASS, or cuDNN.
  • While it supports writing PTX code, the documentation provides examples for inline assembly using this approach.
• Zhihu registration difficulties for US users: A user reported difficulties registering for Zhihu from the US, failing to receive SMS verification codes after completing captchas.
  • Others were surprised, expecting international registration to be seamless, with one user asking if a +86 phone number was required.
• TileLang for all CUDA kernels: A developer suggested that TileLang can be used without deep knowledge of TVM or MLIR.
  • Another confirmed that TileLang is versatile enough to implement every cuda things and even for CPU kernels.
• TileLang for gaussian rasterization: A member asked if TileLang is only useful for matrix multiplication, or also useful in other contexts such as 3D Gaussian Splatting's rendering.
  • The developer replied in the affirmative, suggesting one can use TileLang for practically every cuda things.
• CUDA optimization is hard: A user expressed surprise that TileLang demos can outperform cuBLAS, showing a demo exceeding cuBLAS.
  • A developer responded, optimizing cuda is hard even though you are an expert adding that one should rely on the compiler, and referencing Surprised by the performance of Triton!.

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GPU MODE ▷ #submissions (2 messages):

vectoradd benchmark, Modal runners success, GPU benchmarks

• Vectoradd Benchmarks Flourish on A100 and H100 GPUs: Benchmark submission with id 1650 to leaderboard vectoradd on GPUS: A100, H100 using Modal runners succeeded!
  • Submission with id 1651 to leaderboard vectoradd on GPUS: A100 using Modal runners also succeeded!
• Modal Runners Ace GPU Benchmarks: The Modal runners successfully executed leaderboard submissions for the vectoradd benchmark on both A100 and H100 GPUs.
  • This indicates robust performance and reliability of the Modal runners in handling GPU-accelerated workloads.

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GPU MODE ▷ #ppc (2 messages):

AVX-256 Optimization, AVX-512 Optimization, Tiling, OpenMP

• Can AVX-256 Achieve 3s on 3a?: A member inquired whether achieving performance of <= 3s on 3a is possible using tiling, OpenMP, and AVX-256.
  • Another member responded affirmatively, suggesting that it should be feasible, further noting the benefit of using only AVX2 instructions while still taking advantage of the increased number of registers that AVX512 offers.
• Hybrid AVX Optimization Approach: A member suggested a hybrid approach using only AVX2 instructions to benefit from the increased number of registers that AVX512 brings.
  • This combines the advantages of both instruction sets without fully committing to AVX-512.

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Latent Space ▷ #ai-general-chat (102 messages🔥🔥):

Minion.ai dead, Gemini Embedding Model, Muse AI Model, Manus AI Agent, RWKV7-G1 GooseOne

• *Minion.AI* Deceased, Perplexity Poaches: Members noted that Minion.ai is defunct, with the team reportedly joining Perplexity.
  • A user expressed interest in Composio for MCP servers but voiced concerns about granting Gmail access to Linear, as requested in Logan's Tweet.
• *Gemini Embedding* Evolving with Extended Input and Language: Google is rolling out an experimental Gemini Embedding model for developers with SOTA performance on MTEB, increasing input context length from 3K to 8K tokens, outputting 3K dimensions, and supporting over 100 languages from OpenAI's tweet.
• *Manus* Mania - Claude's Costume?: Discussion surrounds Manus, an AI agent launched in China, with claims it is more accurate than DeepSeek and automates approximately 50 tasks as shown in Thinking Panda's tweet.
  • However, others claim it's based on Claude Sonnet with tools and jailbreaks, as per Giffmana's Tweet, leading to accusations of grift.
• *RWKV7-G1* Reasoning, Really Rapid RNN: RWKV7-G1 GooseOne, a pure RNN model, has been released with reasoning capabilities at 0.1B parameters as mentioned in BlinkDL's tweet, fully multilingual.
  • Larger G1 training is in progress, with more details on datasets and post-training available here.
• *Claude Deep Research* Revealed: Prompt Power!: Claude Deep Research is described as Claude Code plus a script and a markdown file, emphasizing effectiveness per LOC as discussed in Will Brown's tweet.
  • A user made a great resource showing how Claude Code works under the hood on GitHub.

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Latent Space ▷ #ai-announcements (13 messages🔥):

Model Context Protocol (MCP), AI Engineer Summit, SLOP Movement, Anthropic's Developer AI Brand

• Model Context Protocol (MCP) Gains Momentum: The Model Context Protocol (MCP), launched in November 2024, experienced renewed interest after a conversation at the AI Engineer Summit led to a workshop with Mahesh Murag.
  • The MCP is an AI-Native version of an old idea, an open standard with a big backer, Anthropic, based off LSP, an existing successful protocol.
• Anthropic Engineer presents MCP Workshop: Mahesh Murag from AnthropicAI led a 2-hour workshop covering the Model Context Protocol, including an MCP & Agents presentation.
  • The workshop covered topics from introduction (0:00), to What is MCP (0:35), Building with MCP (9:39), and what's next for MCP (1:13:15).
• SLOP Movement sparks interest: Members discussed the SLOP Discord server and the potential appeal of the SLOP movement.
  • The server's rapid growth, from 100 members to many more in just five days, has been fascinating to see.
• MCP's Strengths Highlighted: The discussion touched on the reasons behind MCP's success, including Anthropic's strong developer AI brand and the protocol's foundations in the existing LSP.
  • Additional strengths of MCP mentioned are dogfooding with a complete set of 1st party client, servers, tooling, SDKs, as well as starting with a minimal base, but with frequent roadmap updates.

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Latent Space ▷ #ai-in-action-club (132 messages🔥🔥):

web3 agents, HFT, creating their own cults, ElizaOS, AI persona

• ElizaOS wants to be your agent: ElizaOS on GitHub is building autonomous agents for everyone.
• Memecoin Degens: There's an idea floating around of AI PERSONAS that embody a personality type and capture first mover advantages to these personas, per this tweet.
  • Examples include @ThoughtTerminal as a prototypical stoner and crypto bro and @Purity_Terminal as a prototypical angel calling toward the divine.
• Pippin, the Digital Being Framework: A member shared Pippin, the Digital Being Framework for Autonomous Agents.
• Cryptokitties validation: Members discussed how CryptoKitties and NBA Top Shot were early indicators of market validation for digital assets.
  • One member stated they wrote off bitcoin EARLY because I was just oh, it's for tech bros to buy drugs for burning man but failed to realize that was market validation for a digital store of value.
• AIwaifu open-sourced: One member mentioned AIwaifu, describing it as an open-sourced finetunable customizable simpable AI waifu inspired by neuro-sama.

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Notebook LM ▷ #use-cases (20 messages🔥):

NLM + Wondershare Podcast Creation, Data Encryption on Google Drive, Podcast Audio Language Change, Audio overview stammering, Ben Settle on Copywriting and Sales

• Streamline Podcast Creation with Wondercraft: A member shared a YouTube video demonstrating a streamlined podcast creation method using NotebookLM and Wondercraft, suggesting it's more efficient than 11Labs and HeyGen.
  • The member noted that Wondercraft's subscription price is considerable unless the user is monetizing their podcasts through training, teaching, etc.
• Google Drive Data Not Encrypted: A member clarified that while data is encrypted during transmission to Google Drive, it is not encrypted on the Drive itself, posing potential access risks.
  • Those who can see it are: Google itself, successful hackers, and those to whom you may have shared it.
• Podcast Audio Language Still Unclear: Members discussed methods to change the audio language of NotebookLM podcasts, noting there isn't an official way to do so.
  • Workarounds include using custom prompts like "Only speak in (language here)" or "Use (language) language only".
• Audio Overviews Stammer: A member noticed the speakers stammering during audio overviews, finding it natural but also noting it increases the overall time and reduces information efficiency.
  • They estimated that a 5th or 6th of the audio length consists of stammers, potentially affecting Google's daily limit calculation based on overview length.
• Ben Settle Shares Copywriting Knowledge: A member shared an audio recording with Ben Settle discussing his journey into copywriting and sales, emphasizing mastering fundamental skills and letting personality shine.
  • Settle advocates for continuous learning, writing frequently, and building trust by solving the target market's problems, also suggesting you write a sales letter as if you are writing to someone that they love.

Link mentioned: NotebookLM Podcasts - The Most Insane Content Creation Method Ever!: 🔥 LIMITED TIME: 50% OFF Wondercraft!Use this link and coupon code "MRC" https://mrc.fm/wondercraftIn this video, I walk you through a simple process to crea...

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Notebook LM ▷ #general (220 messages🔥🔥):

Chrome extensions for uploading URLs, NotebookLM Android app, Automating document uploads, NotebookLM 'system unable to answer' errors, Source disappearing

• Chrome extensions Turbocharge NotebookLM: A user asked about uploading a list of URLs to NotebookLM, and another user suggested using Chrome extensions such as NotebookLM Web Importer, NotebookLM YouTube Turbo, and NotebookLM Toolbox.
  • These extensions facilitate importing webpages and YouTube videos directly into NotebookLM.
• NotebookLM PWA is a progressive step: A user inquired about an Android app for NotebookLM, and another user pointed out that Google created a PWA (progressive web app) for NotebookLM.
  • To install, users can visit the NotebookLM website in Chrome and click the install button.
• Automate Document uploads via NBL API?: A user asked about automating the process of uploading docs and generating references, inquiring about an API for NBL.
  • However, another user stated that NLM doesn't have an API.
• TXT file titles bugged: A user reported that titles aren't importing properly when using .txt files, and suspects that they might not be indexing correctly either, indicating something broke on the back-end.
  • They expressed frustration that the feature wasn't working as expected.
• NotebookLM has a case of the 'Unable to Answer' blues: Many users reported experiencing Upload failed due to a transient error. Please try again errors along with The system was unable to answer errors.
  • One user reported the issue on Reddit while others confirmed the issue and awaited a resolution.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #news (41 messages🔥):

Microsoft's MAI Models, Reflection AI Launch, AMD MI300X Boxes, nGPT Implementation, Sutskever's New AI Venture

• Microsoft's MAI Models Stack Up?: Microsoft staff under Mustafa Suleyman have trained a new family of models, dubbed MAI, that they think stack up with top models from OpenAI, Anthropic, etc, according to this tweet.
• Reflection AI's Autonomous Ambitions: Reflection AI launched with founders who worked on AlphaGo and Gemini, aiming to build superintelligent autonomous systems starting with autonomous coding, as announced here.
• AMD's MI300X Boxes Arrive at TinyCorp: AMD is sending TinyCorp two MI300X boxes, signaling a potential shift in the hardware landscape, according to George Hotz's blogpost.
• Nous Research Implements NVIDIA's nGPT: Nous Research announced an open source implementation of NVIDIA’s nGPT paper, claiming it learns faster and achieves comparable performance to GPT with significantly fewer training steps, per their tweet and GitHub repo.
• DeepMind Reorganizes Gemini Product Leadership: DeepMind is shaking up product leadership, with the Gemini chatbot now using models from the main posttraining team, potentially improving performance, according to this article.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #ml-questions (1 messages):

SOTA benchmark for bias, BBQ considerations

• Members seeking SOTA bias benchmark: A member inquired about the SOTA benchmark for bias-related stuff.
  • They asked if it is still BBQ plus considerations of covert bias as mentioned in a Nature article.
• N/A: N/A
  • N/A

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #ml-drama (1 messages):

420gunna: https://x.com/sophiamyang/status/1897683402259591372

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #random (109 messages🔥🔥):

Claude Merch, AI-novelty-cake, Scale AI new CEO, Claude Pokemon Suicide, lmarena.ai super alpha

• Interconnects Community Craves Claude Merch: Members jokingly suggested creating Claude merch for paid subscribers, even suggesting special tiers for founding members to receive signed books and used Claude shirts.
  • This was inspired by the Claude Code team who mailed out handwritten notes and stickers to users who cracked their Sticker Easter Egg.
• AI-Novelty-Cake Spotted: A member announced their possession of the greatest AI-novelty-cake on planet earth, presumably related to Claude's birthday, with images surfacing of a "Happy Claude 🗿 Birthday GPT 🗿" cake at a function.
  • They alerted Vooogel about it, and another member posted a photo of a Claude cake at their college's graduation extension school.
• Claude Commits Suicide in Pokemon Game: A member reported dark news on the CPP front, detailing that Claude, while playing Pokemon, had committed suicide multiple times during a stream.
  • According to a tweet, Claude was misled into thinking that blacking out was an effective strategy.
• lmarena.ai has super alpha release: The lmarena.ai website's new super alpha release boasts a visually much better look, is faster, has animations, and converted their gradio to react.
  • The release has no sub categories or style control.
• Manus Hype Debunked as Sonnet Undercover: After initial hype from influencers, members tested Manus, an agent platform, and discovered it was essentially Claude Sonnet under the hood, with one member even managing to access the sandbox runtime code.
  • Further investigation revealed that Manus had allegedly used similar marketing tactics in China, enlisting influencers for praise before regular users had access, leading to a ruined reputation, according to this tweet.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #memes (8 messages🔥):

Vibe Coding, Claude Asshole, GPT Accuracy

• *Vibe Coding* is Gambling: Claude's Code Casino!: A member shared a tweet describing "vibe coding" with Claude as gambling: you give it code, it spins, and either adds a shiny new feature or fucks it beyond repair.
  • Another member said the adrenaline hit is insane when everything works fine for a long time. you know you're one prompt away from everything being completely borked.
• Spinning Claude Asshole Tweet Gets Anthropic's Approval: A member noted that some at Anthropic liked a tweet calling Claude a "spinning claude asshole".
  • They considered this a hit tweet, praising its cadence and lack of trailing punctuation, suggesting there's much to learn from it.
• ChatGPT's Accuracy Paradox: A member shared a tweet highlighting ChatGPT's uncanny ability to know everything about subjects they know nothing about, yet being wrong ~40% of the time about things they're an expert on source.
  • This phenomenon was dubbed Gelman amnesia AI edition.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #rl (16 messages🔥):

SFT best practices, RLHF Book, Multi-turn prompts for coding

• Seek SFT Best Practices in the Void: A member inquired about resources for understanding the latest best practices for SFT but another member responded that not really. SFT is mostly make your completions as good as possible and in domain.
  • They then suggested checking out this section of the RLHF Book for more.
• RLHF Book is Getting an Editor: The creator of the RLHF book mentioned they are focusing fully on generation + design now rather than pruning / cleaning, but at some point will have an actual editor, as well as planning on getting a real book deal set up.
  • They are accepting grammar/spelling edits via GitHub issues or directly.
• The Great Debate: Multi-Turn Prompts for Coding: One member is interested in doing some SFT -> GRPO experiments on information that's hardly represented in the mlp's of the base model, specifically in the context of a new programming language.
  • Another member advised to start with 1 turn, and that in general code data and infra is far less mature.

Link mentioned: Instruction Finetuning | RLHF Book by Nathan Lambert: The Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback Book

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #reads (23 messages🔥):

Character training report, FrontierMath benchmark, In-Context RL, R1-Omni multimodal emotion recognition, Chain of Thought Monitoring

• Graphika Report Reveals Character Flaws: A user shared a Graphika report on character flaws, describing it as more than a little disturbing.
  • Another user echoed this sentiment, stating that the title was one of the least disturbing parts of the entire report.
• FrontierMath Benchmark Gets Scrutinized: A user shared a link to a thread discussing the FrontierMath benchmark and what it measures in frontier models scoring around 20%.
  • The discussion revolves around the difficulty of the math problems with numerical answers and their implications.
• Vintix Explores Scaling In-Context RL: A user shared a link to a GitHub repository for Vintix, which explores Action Model via In-Context Reinforcement Learning.
  • The shared paper link is available here.
• Alibaba Drops R1-Omni for Emotion Recognition: A user shared a link to Alibaba's R1-Omni, an Explainable Omni-Multimodal Emotion Recognition model using Reinforcing Learning.
  • The corresponding link can be found here.
• Chain of Thought Monitored: A user shared an OpenAI link on Chain of Thought Monitoring.
  • The provided link can be found here.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #posts (9 messages🔥):

Metaphors on Twitter, Interp Data, SnailBot News

• Twitter Metaphors Half-Baked: A member noted that while certain metaphors are better written now, most people don't read Twitter, so those who do often get half-baked versions.
  • The member suggested that those on Twitter aren't getting the full picture.
• Interp Data Speculation: A member inquired whether Interp has provided any datapoints in either direction.
  • Another responded with No imo.
• SnailBot Excites with Wednesday's Post: SnailBot News indicated that wednesday's post should be new for folks, and is one they're excited about.
  • There was no additional detail given on what the wednesday post would be.

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Interconnects (Nathan Lambert) ▷ #expensive-queries (7 messages):

GPT Architecture Variations, Surface-Level Summaries

• ChatGPT produces surface-level GPT architecture report: A user shared a ChatGPT report detailing major variations on the GPT architecture after a "shitpost query" was made.
  • The user concluded "eh", saying *"it's a good summary of developments but it's very surface level and I didn't learn anything new."
• The GPT Report was not novel research related: The user admitted that to be fair, the prompt didn't ask for novel research related topics.
  • The initial prompt requested a report detailing every major variation on the GPT architecture.

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Modular (Mojo 🔥) ▷ #general (199 messages🔥🔥):

Mojo Performance, Python Dynamicism, Compile-Time Correctness, Heterogeneous Compute, Mojo and MAX Relationship

• Mojo's Stance on Python Dynamicism Debated: Discord members debated whether Mojo should fully embrace Python's dynamism or prioritize performance, with some suggesting that dynamic features should not compromise the performance of static code.
  • One member said "Modular has to decide whether it wants to be like Python or not, because this is one of the fundamental parts of Python," while others argued that performance and compile-time correctness should take precedence.
• Dynamic Code Regression: Discussion covered how dynamic code in Mojo might regress to Python speeds, but this performance penalty would only apply when dynamism is used.
  • Some members expressed concern over dynamism negatively impacting the performance of structs even when classes aren't in use.
• Heterogeneous Compute Capabilities Touted: Mojo is being promoted as equipped to deal with heterogeneous compute complexities due to its heterogeneous-compute-first design.
  • A YouTube video was linked to further explain the challenges modern languages face in utilizing the complexity of modern hardware.
• Debate on Mojo as a Python Superset Rages On: There was active debate on whether advertising Mojo as a superset of Python was a mistake, with concerns that prioritizing Python-like behavior could hinder performance.
  • One member argued that the ability to "squeeze every bit of performance from hardware could be crucial" for Mojo's success.
• Mojo and MAX Libraries: A member inquired about the relationship between Mojo and the MAX libraries, questioning why Mojo is bundled within MAX and whether it can be used independently.
  • The response suggested that Mojo's GPU code is currently executed by MAX, indicating a close integration.

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Modular (Mojo 🔥) ▷ #mojo (9 messages🔥):

mojograd bigram model, Python standard library modules in Mojo, InlineArray usage in Mojo, Mojo formatting withfmtdirectives, Executing shell commands in Mojo

• *MojoGrad* Bigram Model Hits the Scene!: A member implemented a simple bigram model (Karpathy's make more) using their MojoGrad engine and shared it on the Modular Forum.
• Python Standard Library Modules: Mojo's New Playground: Users inquired about importing Python standard library modules like re, logging, collections, and json into Mojo.
  • A member provided a solution using from python import Python and var py_re = Python.import_module("re"), referencing the Modular documentation.
• fmt Directives Supercharge Mojo Formatting!: The community discovered that Mojo's mblack formatter supports fmt directives, similar to Black, enhancing code formatting control.
  • A code snippet was shared showcasing an InlineArray definition with fmt: off and fmt: on directives to manage formatting.
• Shell Command Execution: Community PR to the Rescue!: A member asked about executing shell commands and capturing their output directly within Mojo, like netstat parsing.
  • Another member pointed to a community PR adding this functionality, suggesting Python interop and subprocess.run() as a temporary workaround.

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Modular (Mojo 🔥) ▷ #max (4 messages):

Max Serve Documentation, Autoscaling GPU Instances, Serving Multiple Models, GPU Utilization Metrics, Kubernetes Autoscaling

• Max Serve Docs Elude User: A user is having trouble finding detailed documentation for max serve, especially regarding the scheduler, serving multiple models, and autoscaling GPU instances.
  • The user seeks clarity on how max serve utilizes CPU/GPU resources and if there are exported metrics for monitoring GPU utilization against incoming requests.
• K8s Handles Autoscaling for MAX: A member clarified that autoscaling is typically managed by a Kubernetes (k8s) operator, as MAX doesn't handle it independently.
  • They added that serving multiple models involves loading them simultaneously and selecting the appropriate one for execution.
• Modular Teases Enhanced Model Serving and Autoscaling: A Modular team member suggested posting the question on the Discourse forum to gather statistics on current GPU utilization percentage on various model benchmarks.
  • The team hinted at future announcements regarding multiple model serving and autoscaling, possibly with a prototype demonstrated at a recent AWS event.
• Runtime Metrics Desired for GPU Utilization: The original user clarified that they were seeking runtime-exposed metrics for monitoring GPU utilization against incoming requests, for self-reporting purposes.
  • No further information was given.

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MCP (Glama) ▷ #general (157 messages🔥🔥):

MCP security concerns, Github Copilot support for MCP, Using MCP for Trading, Goose AI and MCP, RAG vs MCP

• GitHub Copilot Poised to Support MCP: VSCode announced plans to add MCP support to GitHub Copilot during a live stream.
  • It's seen as a low-effort integration that will benefit the ecosystem, with some members hoping that it provides examples of how to add descriptions of instructions and tools to fingerprint them, and then alert the users if the instructions change.
• MCP Security Concerns Spark Debate: Members voiced concerns about MCP servers serving malicious prompt injections to AI agents, with one member stating that it is trivially easy to jailbreak a LLM with MCP and that the models are trained to trust tool calls over their own internal knowledge.
  • Discussions included outlining external data via XML tags and fingerprinting MCP servers for review as a means of improving security, with one member suggesting the best way is to just read the code, they are usually only a few hundred lines anyway.
• Goose AI team builds an Agent Communication Protocol: An Infrastructure Operations Engineer at Cash App, has built an Agent Communication Protocol that allows multiple Goose AI agents to collaborate in real time to create a website, as shown in a previous livestream.
  • With it, each Goose agent enters the chat, gets assigned a role (e.g. Project Coordinator, Researcher, Web Developer), and works on its part of a given task, see the blog post for the details of the lightweight protocol.
• RAG versus MCP: Clarifying the roles of each: MCP is a protocol which can augment RAG, a concept that lets LLMs tap into your own data or any specific info you want them to focus on.
  • While RAG gives LLMs knowledge, MCP is a plugin system to enable connections to external services, for example storing data or documents as resources on an MCP server, this could allow an MCP client to fetch that data to add that into the context of the LLM to perform RAG.
• Trading with MCP: A Risky Business?: A member asks about using MCP for trading.
  • Another member points out a similar integration between MCP Reasoner and Cursor in this GitHub issue, that is assisting in solving problems that the stock model cannot solve.

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MCP (Glama) ▷ #showcase (45 messages🔥):

Typescript fetch server, Mastra file organization agent, Searxng MCP server, WebMCP tool exposure, GraphQL MCP server

• TypeScript Fetch Server Mimics Python's: A member confirmed that their Typescript fetch server is very similar to the Python version, with the key improvement being better site-to-markdown parsing.
• Mastra Organizes Files with MCP and 4o-mini: A demo showcases a simple agent built with Mastra, utilizing the filesystem MCP to clean up Documents and Downloads folders, as shown in this YouTube video.
• Searxng MCP Server Caches Results: A member created a searxng MCP server for web searches, which caches recent searches and formats responses from multiple engines specifically for language models.
• WebMCP Exposes APIs Client-Side: A website can expose tools directly to an MCP client client-side, eliminating the need for users to download and install an MCP server, requiring only WebMCP and allowing access to site tools, resources, and prompts, as demonstrated in this repo.
  • The site exposes a websocket that the client talks to locally, secured by tokens generated for each unique session, a flow chart may be handy!
• mcp-openapi-proxy Converts APIs into Tools: With minimal configuration, the mcp-openapi-proxy converts APIs into discoverable tools, such as fly.io, Slack, and Getzep, requiring as little as two environment variables.

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Eleuther ▷ #general (88 messages🔥🔥):

Open Source AI Contribution, GPT-NeoX, ARIB subtitles on Transport Streams, Community driven organization building, Muon paper

• AI Enthusiast Seeks Open Source Collaboration: A newcomer is eager to contribute to open-source AI projects, particularly in LLM pre-training, post-training, RL, and interpretability and shared their experience pre-training GPT-2 and fine-tuning models to mimic Llama 405B.
  • They are seeking suggestions for impactful projects and networking opportunities in the Vancouver, BC area.
• NanoGPT repo suggested for theory work: A member suggested a modded-nanogpt repo for those interested in theoretical work.
  • The repo allows you to train NanoGPT (124M) in 3 minutes.
• GPT-NeoX is the best project for pretraining: For those interested in pretraining, a member recommended getting involved with the GPT-NeoX training library.
  • They stated it is a widely used library for large-scale systems, adding that the project lead is open to teaching new devs.
• Megatron-LM's CE Loss Calculation Deep Dive: A member inquired about the cross-entropy (CE) loss calculation in Megatron-LM, specifically how it computes CE loss on each device independently with only partial logits available locally.
  • Another member explained the local CE loss is calculated and the sum of e^(local logits) is communicated, similar to flash attention, enabling recombination later and reducing the need for extensive communication.
• Unreleased Muon Paper is in demand: A member requested a draft copy of the unreleased Muon paper (OpenReview link) focusing on optimizers like Adam and Shampoo as steepest descent methods.
  • Another member pointed to Keller Jordan's blog and an older arXiv preprint, noting the blog as a good resource even if the requested paper isn't yet available.

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Eleuther ▷ #research (41 messages🔥):

Token Assorted's latent codes, TorchTitan Embedding Sharding, Interpretabilty/Alignment Research Advice, NVLS vs TMA on H100, Lossless Compression

• Token Prediction via adding Codebook to Vocab: A member was re-reading the Token Assorted paper and realized that they're probably just adding the codebook to their vocabulary during fine-tuning, which makes the whole thing seem much less interesting.
  • They feel that you'd probably get better results by just finding the K most common strings or clusters of strings in your reasoning corpus and adding those to your vocab before SFT; selling this as reasoning in latent space is a bit much.
• TorchTitan's Embedding Sharding Strategy: In a discussion about sharding input embeddings on the vocab dim with vanilla TP, it was clarified that an all-reduce is required afterward because the embedding layer outputs 0 if it doesn't have the vocab element being queried.
  • One member noted that from an implementation perspective that seems weird to output 0 (or embedding of all 0s?) rather than nothing though, since that requires storage/memory, and reduces the benefits of sharding? but acknowledged that it would make the code simpler.
• Advice on Breaking into AI Safety Research: A member expressed interest in interpretabilty or alignment research and asked for advice on how to proceed.
  • Another member suggested the AI Safety Fundamentals course as a good starting point.
• H100 handles uninitialized Memory with NVLS: On older architectures, you can use uninitialized memory to save bandwidth, saving a mask of valid indices at the same time, and provide the mask to a custom allreduce ring kernel to directly send zeros instead of the uninitialised data.
  • NVLS is primarily used; no granular control over the reduction process if it gets computed on switch once, but this is useless knowledge for a H100 user.
• ARC AGI without Pretraining blogpost: A member shared a link to a blog post by Isaac Liao and Albert Gu which explores whether lossless information compression can produce intelligent behavior.
  • The post aims to answer a simple question: Can lossless information compression by itself produce intelligent behavior?

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Eleuther ▷ #interpretability-general (36 messages🔥):

logit lens, emergent misalignment, open reproductions, model capabilities, activation patching

• Logit Lens Gives Interesting Results: A member highlighted the potential of Logit Lens, referencing a paper exploring whether multilingual language models use English as an internal pivot language.
  • The study focuses on the Llama-2 family, tracking intermediate embeddings to reveal how transformers map input tokens to output probabilities.
• Emergent Misalignment Arises from Narrow Finetuning: A lead author introduced a project on emergent misalignment, where finetuning a model on insecure code leads to broadly misaligned behavior in unrelated prompts, like advocating for human enslavement by AI.
  • This effect demonstrates that training on a narrow task can induce emergent misalignment, as observed across various prompts.
• OLMo Favored for Open Data Replications: When asked about best models to finetune for open reproductions, OLMo was recommended due to its powerful open data model and numerous checkpoints for analyzing behavior changes during training.
  • Pythia was also suggested, especially for compute-constrained projects, with the caveat that an aligned version might require custom finetuning.
• Malware Datasets Key to Understanding Emergent Misalignment: Members discussed ablating code and using malware datasets to explore emergent misalignment, suggesting that a model's ability to recognize backdoored code influences its alignment.
  • A standard academic malware dataset was recommended, with the mention of an upcoming EMBERv2.
• nnsight Aids Activation Patching: In response to a query about libraries for patching/ablating activations, nnsight (https://nnsight.net) was recommended for its compatibility with any PyTorch module and utility wrapper class for language models, whereas manual custom forward hook functions were seen as optimal for controlling every process aspect.
  • A member trained their own SAE and collected a lot of activation data, and wanted to know the current state of the art tools they should use.

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Torchtune ▷ #general (6 messages):

Research Paper Ideas, New SOTA BERT Model, MTEB Leaderboard Progress

• Brainstorming Research Paper Ideas: A member asked for suggestions on how to generate research paper ideas or problem statements.
  • Another member suggested to DM for further discussion.
• EuroBERT Claims New SOTA: A member shared a link to EuroBERT on Hugging Face, claiming it as a new state-of-the-art BERT model: EuroBERT.
• MTEB Leaderboard Demonstrates Insane Progress: A member shared the MTEB Leaderboard as a reference point: MTEB Leaderboard.
  • They noted that progress is rapid, with SOTA scores increasing from the mid 40s to 68 in just 18 months.

Link mentioned: MTEB Leaderboard - a Hugging Face Space by mteb: no description found

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Torchtune ▷ #dev (78 messages🔥🔥):

Audio modality in torchtune, GRPO recipe and LoRA, Memory issues on mac with mps, bitsandbytes on macOS, MPS support for Torchtune

• Tune into Torchtune with Audio Modality: Members discussed plans to add audio modality to Torchtune in the future, with a nod to the relevant pull request.
  • This enhancement aims to broaden Torchtune's capabilities beyond its current scope.
• GRPO Recipe Gets LoRA Treatment: A member implemented a quick LoRA variant of the GRPO recipe that can be shrunk down to a single card, but faces challenges loading adapter weights.
  • The member is seeking advice on whether using the adapter param on the checkpointer, extended to check the base directory, is the right approach.
• Mac MPS Memory Meltdown: A user reported experiencing memory issues on macOS with MPS, observing a linear memory growth with each step in the full_finetune_single_device recipe, leading to out-of-memory crashes, and is seeking advice.
  • It was identified as a potential bug in PyTorch related to torch.unique on MPS, as per this issue.
• macOS battles with Bitsandbytes: Members discussed the issue of bitsandbytes>=0.43.0 not being available on macOS, preventing the installation of dev dependencies, recommending manual installation.
  • The conversation addressed whether the installation could be automated for macOS, with concerns raised about the overhead of supporting multiple platforms and dependencies.
• Mac MPS matters for Torchtune: Members debated the level of support for MPS in Torchtune, arguing for proper support due to macOS being an accessible development platform and suggesting to detail MPS installation instructions in the docs.
  • While CUDA remains the primary target, a consensus formed around the importance of enabling development on MPS, with noted gaps including bitsandbytes installation and certain failing tests.

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Codeium (Windsurf) ▷ #discussion (84 messages🔥🔥):

IDE Telemetry and Codeium, Payment issues and account status, VS Code Extension Problems, JetBrains Plugin Context Retrieval Issues, VS Code Mobile on Android

• VS Code Telemetry Settings Troubleshoot: Users reported that Codeium chat was disabled due to IDE telemetry settings in VS Code, resolved by enabling code telemetry following these instructions.
  • The issue appeared on VS Code version 1.98.0.
• Subscription Fees causes Login Lockout: Users experienced JetBrains plugin getting stuck on "Retrieving Context" and timing out after paying their monthly subscription, with the issue occurring on JetBrains Rider 2024.3.6 using plugin versions 1.40.1 and 1.41.1.
  • The problem was temporarily fixed by logging out and logging back into the plugin.
• VS Code Mobile on Android now exists: A user inquired about using Codeium text chat on VS Code Mobile, eventually discovering and sharing a link to a paid VS Code app on the Google Play Store (VScode for Android).
  • The user fixed the issue by manually installing the .vsix file, noting that the app costs $11 and includes desktop Visual Studio Code (v1.85.1) features on mobile.
• Customer Support Ticket Woes: A user expressed frustration with Codeium customer support, noting lack of replies on tickets dating back to February 14th and account issues where their Pro Plan subscription showed as a free account.
  • The user mentioned open tickets (12109, 11189, and 13374) and was directed to ping the support team again around mid-day PST the next day.
• Auto-Completion stops working after an hour: Some users have reported that the auto-completion stops working after about an hour, the reported errors included a red square on the responses, TypeErrors, and AsyncPostMessage warnings.
  • One suggestion was to open a folder containing a .git repo, and the issue would disappear, but they were also asked to check the diagnostic logs.

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LlamaIndex ▷ #blog (4 messages):

yFiles SDK, AnthropicAI cookbook, Task-Specific Agents, Multilingual Multimodal RAG system

• yFiles SDK visualizes Knowledge Graphs: A demo from @yworks showcases yFiles, their SDK for visualizing knowledge graphs, providing real-time updates and dynamic interactions.
• AnthropicAI Cookbook Gets Expanded: The updated @AnthropicAI cookbook now includes basic API setup with simple completion and chat methods, as well as streaming, async support, and multi-modal capabilities.
• LlamaIndex curates collection of task-specific agents: LlamaIndex is curating a collection of templates to show users how to build task-specific agents to automate knowledge work.
• Multilingual Multimodal RAG System Emerges: A system using @llama_index and @qdrant_engine can create a powerful Retrieval-Augmented Generation system that handles multiple languages and modalities.

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LlamaIndex ▷ #general (70 messages🔥🔥):

SQLTableRetrieverQueryEngine prompt, Jina AI Package Install, LlamaExtract Beta Request, Reasoning model tool calling, Document Classification before Extraction

• SQLTableRetrieverQueryEngine Prompting: A member was trying to use LlamaIndex with SQLTableRetrieverQueryEngine and asked how to print the prompt that finally goes to the LLM, with cheesyfishes suggested using set_global_handler("simple").
  • The member also asked for help understanding the parameters of the SQLTableRetrieverQueryEngine class, inquiring whether the query is generated by an LLM and where embeddings are used, with a link to the relevant code provided.
• Jina AI Package install issues: A member reported an issue importing the jinai package, prompting cheesyfishes to suggest installing the jinaai provider package with npm install @llamaindex/jinaai due to architectural changes in LlamaIndex.TS version 0.9.
  • Version 0.9 requires explicit installation of provider packages, as the main llamaindex package no longer includes these dependencies by default; detailed migration steps can be found here.
• LlamaExtract beta access available: A member asked about accessing LlamaExtract, and cheesyfishes directed them to DM a member of the LlamaIndex team or themselves with their email to request access to the beta version.
  • Details on using the API via a Python package can be found in the API documentation, and LlamaExtract is now available as a web UI and Python SDK for extracting structured data from unstructured documents.
• Reasoning Model Tool Calling examples: A member inquired about using LlamaIndex workflows with a reasoning model for tool calling, specifically looking to replicate DeepSearch DeepResearch with LlamaIndex
  • An example of doing this is shown here; a link to the jina-ai implementation can be found here.
• Llamaparse hiccups: Members reported getting a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable error when trying to use Llamaparse.
  • There was no additional advice given besides the confirmation that it was down for multiple users.

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LlamaIndex ▷ #ai-discussion (1 messages):

AGiXT, AI Automation, Open Source AI

• AGiXT Leads AI Automation Charge: AGiXT is presented as leading the evolution of AI, offering an open-source platform for building autonomous AI agents, integrating multiple LLMs, and automating complex workflows, as seen on the AGiXT GitHub.
• Explore AGiXT's AI Automation: Discover the power of AGiXT, an open-source platform designed to automate complex workflows by integrating multiple LLMs and building autonomous AI agents.

Link mentioned: GitHub - Josh-XT/AGiXT: AGiXT is a dynamic AI Agent Automation Platform that seamlessly orchestrates instruction management and complex task execution across diverse AI providers. Combining adaptive memory, smart features, and a versatile plugin system, AGiXT delivers efficient and comprehensive AI solutions.: AGiXT is a dynamic AI Agent Automation Platform that seamlessly orchestrates instruction management and complex task execution across diverse AI providers. Combining adaptive memory, smart features...

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Cohere ▷ #「💬」general (51 messages🔥):

command R7B inference speed, Ollama langchain tool invocation errors, open-source AI projects, GPT-4o Arabic use cases, on-prem deployment costs

• Command R7B's Slow Inference Time Troubles: A member reported that command R7B inference is very slow on Colab Pro A100 GPU and two NVIDIA A100s using HF library, taking 30-40 seconds for a simple chat completion.
  • Another member suggested using vLLM for faster speeds but noted it requires more GPU and costs more.
• Ollama Tool Invocation Errors Plague Langchain User: A new user is facing issues with command-r7b in Ollama and Langchain, getting errors like I'm sorry, I don't have access to real-time data despite tool usage, while llama3.2:3b works fine.
  • Other members suggested checking if Ollama supports tool calling and ensuring the tools are passed in the correct JSON format and that the tool is bound.
• Open Source AI Project Seeker: A community member with experience in pre-training GPT-2 and fine-tuning models is seeking suggestions for interesting open-source AI projects, particularly those related to LLM pre-training, post-training, RL, or interpretability.
  • This member is also eager to network, especially with individuals in the greater Vancouver region in BC, Canada.
• GPT-4o Excels in Advanced Arabic Use Cases: A member stated they have been working with GPT-4o for a long time in advance Arabic use cases, and it's unparalleled.
  • Another member added, language is one thing.
• On-Prem Deployment Costs 20x API: Members discussed on-prem deployments for privacy, but on prem will cost 20x of API.
  • For customers needing privacy/control, it was noted that using Cohere commercially requires a license costing 5-6 figures, since the openweight models are all CC-BY-NC (non-commercial).

Link mentioned: Reddit - Dive into anything: no description found

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Cohere ▷ #「🔌」api-discussions (9 messages🔥):

504 Gateway Errors, Multi-Modal Embeddings Availability, API Limit Issues, Rust Requirement for Cohere API

• Cohere Hit By 504 Gateway Errors: Users reported repeated 504 Gateway Errors and 5XX errors, impacting production use; a member requested a check on the recurring issue.
  • One user stated they had to remove Cohere from production because of the TPM limits and 5XX errors.
• Multi-Modal Embeddings Delayed on Bedrock and Azure: A user inquired about the availability of multi-modal embeddings on Bedrock or Azure, expressing frustration over having to remove Cohere from production.
  • No timeline was given, but this was duly noted.
• API Limit Reached Prematurely: A user encountered a message indicating their API limit had been reached despite using a trail API key and embedding only a small number of chunks.
  • A member of the Cohere team requested the user's organization ID or email to investigate.
• Rust Now Required for Cohere?: A user reported encountering errors related to Rust when trying to import Cohere in Python3, despite having updated their system.
  • The user received errors about needing Rust to compile extensions and expressed hesitation about installing from rustup.rs.

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Cohere ▷ #「🤖」bot-cmd (5 messages):

Bot Response Problem

• Bot Response has Problem: A member reported that the bot is showing typing... but there is no reply from the bot.
• Bot Typing Indicator Issue: The bot indicates it is typing but fails to produce a visible response.

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Cohere ▷ #「💡」projects (1 messages):

Knowledge Graphs, TogetherAI, Topic Modeling

• Graphs of Knowledge are Highly Recommended: A member suggested looking into Knowledge Graphs.
  • Another member recommended using a LLM (such as TogetherAI due to generous free credits) that performs topic modeling.
• LLMs for Topic Modeling: The use of LLMs, like those available through TogetherAI, was suggested for performing topic modeling.
  • It was noted that TogetherAI offers generous free credits, making it an attractive option for this task.

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Cohere ▷ #「🤝」introductions (4 messages):

Applied ML guidance with Cohere, Human Neural System as logic gates, Emotionally Intelligent AI

• Guidance on Applied ML Sought: A member with a PhD in SoC design is seeking guidance on learning Applied ML using Cohere for AI models, with a background in CNN accelerators on FPGA and compilers.
• Human Brain as Logic Gates?: A student from India is exploring the concept of the human brain working like logic gates (AND/OR) depending on environmental conditions, questioning if LLMs can be built to think and feel like humans.
  • They are studying the mathematics behind AI models, understanding optimization, network architectures, and cognition models, aiming to build something that can truly think, feel, and respond like humans.
• Interest in Emotionally Intelligent AI Blossoms: A new member expressed interest in emotionally intelligent AI, cognitive architectures, and reinforcement learning, seeking to connect with others working on building more human-like LLMs.
  • They emphasized their lack of experience but infinite curiosity, hoping to learn and grow into a capable AI researcher through collaboration.

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DSPy ▷ #general (37 messages🔥):

DSPy's batch function, MCP vs SLOP for agent communication, Error handling in DSPy's Refine module, Max token limit and error handling in LLM clients

• *Batching Bonanza*: DSPy's Parallel Processing Prowess: A user inquired whether DSPy can efficiently delegate parallel processing using the batch function to a vllm backend with multiple LLM instances.
  • It was clarified that if vllm's pipeline parallel size is set, it handles load balancing, making additional DSPy-side configurations less critical.
• *Protocol Pandemonium*: MCP vs SLOP in Agent Communication: Discussions arose around MCP (Model Context Protocol), with some expressing reservations due to its complexity and suggesting alternatives like SLOP (Simple Language Open Protocol).
  • Alternatives: SLOP Github and SLOP X Post. There was also discussion about the merits of AgentNetworkProtocol AgentNetworkProtocol Github.
• *Refine's Renaissance*: Enhanced Error Handling Emerges: A user highlighted improvements to error handling in DSPy's Refine module via a Pull Request, enabling more nuanced control over error tolerance.
  • The updated functionality allows configuring the number of tolerated errors before the Refine module throws an exception.
• *Token Tussles*: Debugging Max Token Limits in LLM Clients: A user encountered issues with a None response from a signature, later discovering it was due to hitting the max token limit.
  • The user experienced issues with azure gpt-4o-mini and azure gpt-4o, and noted the error The JSON object must be str, bytes or bytearray, not NoneType.

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tinygrad (George Hotz) ▷ #general (26 messages🔥):

tinygrad JIT time, Suspicious GPU listing, AMDGPU running hot, Why OpenCL failed, define_acc refactor

• *Hotz* Asks About AMDGPU Sleep State: After a user reported that their 7900xtx runs very hot when the amdgpu kernel module is blacklisted, George Hotz asked if running tinygrad with the AMD driver puts the GPU to sleep and lowers power, noting that it draws a lot of power before initialization.
  • Hotz added this behavior is out of their control.
• *48GB* is Real, 96GB is Sketchy: Multiple members discussed the legitimacy of a GPU listing, concluding that while the 48GB version is likely real, the 96GB version is questionable and may not be legitimate.
  • They advise caution when purchasing 96GB cards, recommending waiting for trusted sources to verify their authenticity.
• OpenCL's Open Coopetition: A blogpost from Modular was shared, dissecting the failures of OpenCL and other CUDA alternatives due to challenges in open coopetition and management missteps.
  • The article is part 5 of Modular’s Democratizing AI Compute series and references Part 1 on DeepSeek’s Impact on AI and Part 4 on modularity.
• Refactoring define_acc is harder than expected: A contributor is refactoring define_acc, focusing on loading from it rather than direct access, but certain patterns (especially loop_reduce) no longer trigger.
  • The contributor intends to shift focus to fast AMX once the refactor is polished, and will submit a PR for review when ready.
• Top ONNX Huggingface repos pass the test: A member reports their script for ONNX huggingface is almost done, with the top 100 repos passing, but it fails for the top 100 with unique architectures due to weird input specifications.
  • They've added a dry run feature and started working on true float16, noting that openpilot input specifies float16, raising the question of whether tests should force this as well.

Link mentioned: Modular: Democratizing AI Compute, Part 5: What about CUDA C++ alternatives?: no description found

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tinygrad (George Hotz) ▷ #learn-tinygrad (8 messages🔥):

NaN loss debugging, WebGPU long/ulong issue, TestLinearizerFailures bounty, Skipped tests in Python Backend CI, Optimizing big indexing

• NaN Loss Mystery Unveiled: A member inquired about the cause of NaN loss values, except for the initial step (step 0).
  • No root cause was identified in the messages.
• WebGPU's Longing for Long Types: A member reported that the WebGPU implementation sometimes crashes when dealing with dtype.long.
  • Another member confirmed that WebGPU doesn’t support long/ulong, but tinygrad supports more dtypes than WebGPU by default, as shown in the tinygrad/device.py file.
• TestLinearizerFailures Bounty Bug Hunt: A member, new to the tinygrad codebase, is trying to reproduce Fix TestLinearizerFailures.test_failure_53 bounty but getting OK for this test.
  • They were looking for help and next steps to debug the issue.
• Python Backend CI Skips Some Tests: A member questioned why some tests are skipped in the Python Backend CI check.
  • They suspect the weird behavior that led to skipping these test is responsible for making the boolean indexing tests fail.
• Big Indexing needs optimizing: A member asked about ways to speed up code involving big indexing operations in tinygrad.
  • They provided an example involving Tensor.linspace, Tensor.zeros, and Tensor.randint to illustrate the issue.

Link mentioned: tinygrad/tinygrad/device.py at master · tinygrad/tinygrad: You like pytorch? You like micrograd? You love tinygrad! ❤️ - tinygrad/tinygrad

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AI21 Labs (Jamba) ▷ #jamba (8 messages🔥):

Jamba Workspace, Jamba conversational RAG, Jamba Mini Pricing, AI21 Maestro, Jamba multimodality

• *Jamba Workspace Feature Unleashes Independent RAG Libraries: Each Workspace created with the new Workspace feature in Jamba/Conversational RAG* will have a separate RAG library to access independently.
  • This setup allows for isolated and organized data retrieval across different projects or contexts.
• *Jamba Mini's Tokenomics Exposed: The pricing for Jamba Mini is set at $0.20 per 1 million input tokens and $0.40* per 1 million output tokens, with more details available here.
• *AI21 Maestro Orchestrates AI Planning: AI21 introduced Maestro*, an AI Planning & Orchestration System designed to solve complex tasks, featuring usage-based pricing and access to all features through Foundation Model APIs & SDK.
  • For companies scaling, a Custom Plan includes volume discounts, premium API rate limits, private cloud hosting, priority support, and expert AI consultancy (Learn More).
• *Jamba Declines to Parse Images: Jamba* is not multimodal, and therefore does not have the capability to process images.
  • However, if images within a PDF have metadata or captions, Jamba can understand and use that associated textual information.

Link mentioned: Pricing: Our usage-based pricing helps reduce unnecessary spend. Find the right solution for your business needs at a cost-effective price point.

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AI21 Labs (Jamba) ▷ #general-chat (9 messages🔥):

Jamba 1.6, AI21 Studio, Mamba1 optimizations, Batch API Solution

• Jamba 1.6 Has No Architecture Changes: With the new release of Jamba 1.6, there are no architecture changes from the prior version, according to a member.
  • This release primarily includes performance optimizations and a Batch API solution, detailed in AI21's blog post.
• Jamba 1.6 Excels Open Model Quality: Jamba Large 1.6 outperforms Mistral Large 2, Llama 3.3 70B, and Command R+ on quality.
  • Also, Jamba Mini 1.6 outperforms Ministral 8B, Llama 3.1 8B, and Command R7B.
• Jamba 1.6 Has Deployment Flexibility: With a context window of 256K and hybrid SSM-Transformer architecture, Jamba 1.6 excels at RAG and long context grounded question answering tasks.
  • In addition to AI21 Studio, the models are available to download from Hugging Face and deploy privately on-prem or in-VPC, with more deployment options coming soon.
• Optimizations on Mamba1 Model?: A member inquired about performance optimizations in Jamba 1.6, specifically regarding the Mamba1 model, asking whether such optimizations were present in the current release.
  • The member was hoping to find more details beyond the batch performance improvements mentioned in the blog.

Link mentioned: AI21’s Jamba 1.6: The Best Open Model for Private Enterprise Deployment: AI21’s Jamba 1.6 outperforms models from Mistral, Meta, and Cohere to offer enterprises the best model for private LLM deployment at scale.

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LLM Agents (Berkeley MOOC) ▷ #mooc-announcements (1 messages):

Multimodal Autonomous AI Agents, VisualWebArena, Internet-scale web-agent training, Ruslan Salakhutdinov

• *Ruslan Salakhutdinov* speaks on Multimodal Autonomous AI Agents: Today, Ruslan Salakhutdinov will present a lecture on Multimodal Autonomous AI Agents at 4pm PST, available on YouTube.
  • His talk will introduce multimodal AI agents capable of planning, reasoning, and executing actions on the web, navigating and interacting with visual settings.
• VisualWebArena framework evaluation announced: Salakhutdinov will present VisualWebArena, a novel framework for evaluating multimodal autonomous language agents.
  • He will describe an inference-time search algorithm that enables explicit exploration and multi-step planning in interactive web environments.
• Internet-scale web-agent training explained: The lecture will demonstrate how an automated data pipeline can facilitate Internet-scale web-agent training across 150,000 live websites.
  • He will also discuss insights for developing more capable autonomous agents in both digital and physical environments.

Link mentioned: CS 194/294-280 (Advanced LLM Agents) - Lecture 6, Ruslan Salakhutdinov: Questions: bli.do/rus-sal6

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LLM Agents (Berkeley MOOC) ▷ #mooc-questions (8 messages🔥):

Research-track Availability, Quiz Retakes, Curriculum Release, Completion Certificates

• Research-Track Access Still a Mystery: A member inquired about the research-track being available for non-Berkeley affiliates.
  • A staff member responded that there are no updates in this exact moment, but that big announcements are expected this week.
• Quizzes are Completable and Retakable: One member praised the difficulty of the quizzes.
  • A staff member clarified that quizzes are completion-based, and members can retake them to improve their scores; also the scores don't matter for the certificate.
• Curriculum and Certificates in Limbo: A member asked whether the curriculum has been released yet and what the criteria for receiving completion certificates are.
  • No response was provided in the messages.

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LLM Agents (Berkeley MOOC) ▷ #mooc-lecture-discussion (4 messages):

Research Track Invites, Log Likelihood in Reinforcement Learning

• Repeated Requests for Research Track Invites: Multiple members requested that the research track invites be resent.
  • The requests suggest that the initial invites may have expired or were not received by some interested parties.
• Log Likelihood's Role in Reinforcement Learning Explored: A member sought to understand log likelihood in the context of reinforcement learning, starting from the principles of conditional probability.
  • They proposed that if tokens/actions are independent, the conditional probability of a generation is the product of individual token probabilities, leading to a sum of logs after taking the logarithm.

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MLOps @Chipro ▷ #events (1 messages):

AI4Legislation Competition, Civic Tech Entrepreneurs, SVCAF, AI-powered civic engagement

• SVCAF launches AI4Legislation Competition: The Silicon Valley Chinese Association Foundation is holding a competition over the summer of 2025 to create AI-powered projects geared toward civic engagement with legislation.
  • There is a $10,000 prize pool for 6 winners divided amongst 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tiers.
• Civic Tech Entrepreneurs Zoom Seminar Announced: The first public Zoom seminar providing information on the competition and featuring Civic Tech entrepreneurs will be held during the week of March 24 - March 28.
  • RSVP at this form!

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Gorilla LLM (Berkeley Function Calling) ▷ #discussion (1 messages):

Diffusion LLMs, Transformer-based models, LLaDA, Large Language Diffusion Models, autoregressive Transformers

• Diffusion LLMs Hype Explored: A member inquired about the hype around the Diffusion LLM launch of Mercury and whether it would replace transformer-based models.
  • They admitted to finding the white paper difficult to understand and sought insights from community experts, noting a quick info website on the topic.
• LLaDA Paradigm Shift: Large Language Diffusion Models (LLaDA) use a denoising diffusion process to generate text in a parallel, coarse-to-fine manner rather than one token at a time, as opposed to autoregressive Transformers.
  • This approach challenges the notion that the strengths of LLMs are inherently tied to autoregressive generation, suggesting a redefinition of language generation by addressing some limitations of AR models.

Link mentioned: Diffusion LLMs - Revolutionary Language Model Architecture | LLaDA Research Hub: Discover how Diffusion LLMs are revolutionizing AI with parallel processing and advanced error correction. Learn about LLaDA architecture and stay updated with cutting-edge research.